(March 16, 2010 at 12:34 pm)tavarish Wrote: You could've proofread and edited it as well, it's rough reading that incoherent wall of mishmash.

So much mess. So many errors. Even a professional freelance proofreader would have trouble fixing that mess.
I might try fixing it later.

(March 16, 2010 at 12:21 pm)tavarish Wrote: Ray Comfort is a smart man.

Yeah. It's amazing how he used a banana to prove that "God" exists.

You know what would have worked even better to brand us as God's property? A big G on the back of our necks or something like that. It would also go much further in solving the whole, "Is God real?" question.

God's marketing department Wrote:Humans!

New and improved!

Now with intelligence!

Accept no substitutes!

Poor marketing! No mention of the brand at all! How will I know who to buy these "humans" from or whether I am getting the real, created, humans and not just some evolved knockoff?

Rhizo

Thor and ace as I stated in my first reply I'm not trying to convert anyone.I'm not going to try and prove the existance of God.As for myself belief through a personal experiance is enough proof. Why do you press so hard for evidence of God yet are reluctant to give evidence that God doesn't exist. Could it be you have none.Don't tell me the burden of proof falls on me I'm not the one questioning His existance. Sorry that my writing is such a mess please bear with me.

We're not asking for proof of God (well, I'm not anyway) we are simply refuting your propositions in debate form as might be expected in a discussion forum :S

(March 16, 2010 at 4:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: Thor and ace as I stated in my first reply I'm not trying to convert anyone.I'm not going to try and prove the existance of God.As for myself belief through a personal experiance is enough proof. Why do you press so hard for evidence of God yet are reluctant to give evidence that God doesn't exist. Could it be you have none.Don't tell me the burden of proof falls on me I'm not the one questioning His existance. Sorry that my writing is such a mess please bear with me.

The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. You say God exists, guess what you then have to do. Your experiences are enough for you? That's fine. Just don't say "intelligence is a sign that God exists" and not expect be taken to task on this.

I'm not saying God doesn't exist. I simply don't believe your claim that he does. I withhold judgement.

(March 16, 2010 at 4:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: Thor and ace as I stated in my first reply I'm not trying to convert anyone.I'm not going to try and prove the existance of God.As for myself belief through a personal experiance is enough proof. Why do you press so hard for evidence of God yet are reluctant to give evidence that God doesn't exist. Could it be you have none.Don't tell me the burden of proof falls on me I'm not the one questioning His existance. Sorry that my writing is such a mess please bear with me.

FFS.

Your the claimer, so it's down to you to prove it. Also why are you unable to bring forward evidence for the non-existance of santa claus? Can you disprove thor or apollo? Bet you can't. I cannot speak for every atheist but I do not claim there is no god. I'm rejecting the claim. I don't believe it. Questioning the existance of something doesn't mean you have the burden of proof. I believe you are trying to shift the burden from yourself. Won't work!
Yes your writing is a mess and so is your logic.

Quote:I'm not going to try and prove the existance of God.

That's because you can't.

AngelThMan Wrote:... just because you believe something doesn't mean it's true.

tavarish Wrote:You're pretty good at rebutting your own assertions.

Can't you see the irony? I'm repeating back something that atheists love to throw at Christians. And I believe you are guilty of it as you keep repeating that your arguments refute mine, just because you strongly believe what you're saying.

tavarish Wrote:...you can't expect a species that has developed to become a perfect hunter, such as the shark, to invent a computer, as it was irrelevant to its development...

Tav, you still haven't explained how inventing a computer is relevant to the survival of our species. And don't post an article here with views from other writers and scientists. They all contradict each other, anyway. Give me your own explanation.

tavarish Wrote:This isn't how reasoned discussion works. When one side is horribly biased, it cannot lead to anything productive...

And you're not biased at all?

tavarish Wrote:We have the capability to understand the world around us in a unique way, but in no way to we control or command all others.

AngelThMan Wrote:Sure, that's why killer whales are in captivity at Sea World. More denial.

tavarish Wrote:And orcas in the zoo are proof of what? The definition I provided said "control over all", which we do not have.

Okay. Would you agree then that humans have control over more animal species than any other species has over other species?

Watson wanted to know why I thought God would create intelligence.I gave my answer based on my knowledge of God.I was not trying to prove God to Watson or any one else and I was not using intelligence as a way to give proof of God.Actually God is assumed in Watsons question so the answer I gave was based on that assumtion.

No the burden of proof is not on me.I know through experiance that the God of the Bible exist.I do not need to prove God to anyone that is a work for God.You say my logic is a mess? You say that you are not claiming there is no God does this mean you don't know if He exist.If this is the case then how can you reject the claim there is God.

I know God exist and I know that Christ is my saviour and I know many other things about God and I can't prove them to you and you can't disprove my claim.You can disagree with my claim,you can disrespect my claim,you can laugh at it,you can trample it,you can do anything you desire with it but just as I can not prove to you that God exist you can not disprove His existance.

Actually, Godschild, I didn't want to know why God would give us intelligence, I wanted to know how you thought He would do it without the process of evolution. In what way do you believe God gave us intellgience? I believe He did it through evolution, you still have not made any comment one way or the other...