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RE: The Flaw of Atheism
February 27, 2014 at 2:48 pm
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My family is NOT crazy. My father is even the minister of our church.
I swear on my LIFE my mom said she saw an angel.
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RE: The Flaw of Atheism
February 27, 2014 at 2:49 pm
(February 27, 2014 at 2:20 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: But he says he learns new valuable information whenever he reads it. He can read a verse he's read 50 times before and he finds a new, deeper meaning to it. THE HOLY SPIRIT: fucking with people's minds since 33 AD.
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RE: The Flaw of Atheism
February 27, 2014 at 2:53 pm
(February 27, 2014 at 2:48 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: My family is NOT crazy. My father is even the minister of our church.
I swear on my LIFE my mom said she saw an angel.
Sentences two and three aren't the greatest support for sentence one.
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RE: The Flaw of Atheism
February 27, 2014 at 2:55 pm
You're just repeating bullshit that has already been stated and clearly destroyed with counter-arguments.
THere's no logic in your desperate attempt to justify your belief.
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RE: The Flaw of Atheism
February 27, 2014 at 2:55 pm
(February 27, 2014 at 2:48 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: My family is NOT crazy. My father is even the minister of our church.
I swear on my LIFE my mom said she saw an angel.
We don't care even if she said she saw Elvis in Las Vegas last week. You have yet to provide a reason why we should believe you. Also, you need to come clean about your trolling.
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RE: The Flaw of Atheism
February 27, 2014 at 2:56 pm
Why would my parents lie? They never lie about anything else.
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RE: The Flaw of Atheism
February 27, 2014 at 2:56 pm
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RE: The Flaw of Atheism
February 27, 2014 at 2:56 pm
(February 27, 2014 at 2:07 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Y'know maybe it kinda doesn't make sense that sin didn't exist till man sinned, yet the serpent that tricked them already existed. But my parents recommend me listen to Joseph Prince above reading the Bible, since they say I am not at the state of mind to understand the Bible yet. I have OCD, and they say right now reading the bible without any context is one of the worst things I can do right now.
So, what they want you to do, is become so gullible before you read the Bible, that you'll be able to excuse and rationalize any atrocity, immorality, and magical event in the Bible.
If you read it before you are gullible enough, you might actually have to admit, that it just may be immoral when 'God' condones owning and beating slaves. Exodus 21
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: The Flaw of Atheism
February 27, 2014 at 2:58 pm
(February 27, 2014 at 2:56 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Why would my parents lie? They never lie about anything else.
It's very helpful to finish statements like that last one with "that I know of." After all, I'm sure you're not claiming you know everything, and your parents are human, so of course they lie.
More importantly, you're on shaky logical ground to begin with; from our perspective everything they've ever told you about god is untrue, but more importantly, it doesn't follow that if what they told you was untrue they were lying. They could just be wrong.
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RE: The Flaw of Atheism
February 27, 2014 at 2:59 pm
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(February 27, 2014 at 2:56 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Why would my parents lie? They never lie about anything else.
They might not be lying in their minds.
They may be telling you what they believe is the 'truth' that they were as indoctrinated into believing, as they're doing to you.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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