Let me see if I can use a different example.

Vegetarians are people who do not eat meat, and most but not all include fish as meat.

Some of them are very anti-carnivorous. They despise people who eat meat. Look up Onision on Youtube for a perfect example of one.

Now if I were to suggest that vegetarianism has a dogma that eating fish is bad, and/or that vegetarianism dogma despises people who eat meat I would be just plain wrong. Just because some vegetarians hold to this practice in this way, does not mean it is a dogma of vegetarianism. All it takes for someone to be a vegetarian is not to eat meat. That's it.

That is what I'm trying to get across to you about atheism. Any individual atheist can have its own reasons to believe or not believe in one thing or another, but the only thing that defines him or her as an atheist is not believing in gods. So if you meet someone who identifies him or her self as an atheist, you can assume he or she believes that the Theory of Evolution is accurate, but that is by no means a given. You might assume he or she thinks that the Earth is 4,6 billion years old, but that is in no means certain. The only thing you can be sure of, is that he or she does not believe in gods. Whatever an atheist does believe in, you only need to ask that individual.

http://www.atheism-analyzed.net/aap2.htm
Atheism is a religion.
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/49759,peop...ummer-camp
This is dogma.

You are no different from that which you scorn so loudly. Where is the enlightened open considerate mind when shouting at fundies? As I myself was encouraged to do.
Without God there could be no atheism. Is that not true?

(March 23, 2010 at 5:29 pm)RedFish Wrote: http://www.atheism-analyzed.net/aap2.htm
Atheism is a religion.

Atheism is not a religion. If you bothered to read a bit more on this forum you would have known that already as this has been rebutted on this very forum many times before.

Quote:http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/49759,peop...ummer-camp
This is dogma.

First of all, no it is not. Second of all, Dawkins' foundation only funded a summer camp, that wants to promote clear thinking, in other words coming to your own conclusions based on evidence at hand. If you had bothered to read the topic about this summer camp on this forum you would also have noticed that I was one of the first to point out the inherent danger of teaching children what to think instead of how to think. Once a member of that very same summer camp came over to this forum to explain about this camp I even re-itterated that.

Quote:You are no different from that which you scorn so loudly.

What exactly do I scorn so loudly apart from your ridiculous assertions about atheism?

Quote:Where is the enlightened open considerate mind when shouting at fundies?

Again, you are thereby implying that atheists all

a: claim to have an enlightened open considerate mind
b: shout at fundies.

Stop making strawmen.

Quote:As I myself was encouraged to do.

By me? I doubt that very much.

Quote:Without God there could be no atheism. Is that not true?

No, without people believing in gods there would be no atheism. Big difference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=200qAsgpfwU

Rebut all you like, I think differently. I can't seriously be expected to read all 60000+ posts in case there was something important I missed, can I?
Substitute religious group for Dawkins lot and they are identical, assuming the 'evidence on hand' was provided for them? Your own concerns testify to the inherent 'danger'.
I apologise, my aim was at the atheists who have merely scorned and insulted those of faith, if this does not include you, I am sorry. Some on here seem to enjoy being rude, a little too much.
I consider an enlightened open mind to be a sign of intelligence, more than shouting, anyway. I was encouraged to do so myself. As a noob.
To you there's a big difference. To other atheists, not so.
The guy kept having to specifically exclude the basic tenet 'there is no god', from consideration as a tenet(!). And a completely loaded debate. Doesn't convince me, at all.

(March 23, 2010 at 7:28 pm)RedFish Wrote: The guy kept having to specifically exclude the basic tenet 'there is no god', from consideration as a tenet(!). And a completely loaded debate. Doesn't convince me, at all.

As an atheist, I have never said "there is no god". I'm not saying that god does not exist, fact. I'm saying I just don't believe he/it/thing exists. Is that so hard to understand?
Lack of belief is not a belief. Since I'm not claiming anything. Atheism is very easy to understand. It's all about lack of belief in god. Saying you don't believe in something doesn't make it a religion. So no it's not a tenet.
Why do theists just hate the idea that atheism isn't a religion?

Since when does a lack of belief in something becomes a belief? Since when does lack of belief turn into a religion? Since when is religion based on lack of belief? Last time I checked, it isn't.

Shut up you religious FREAK Ace!!

(March 23, 2010 at 8:17 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Shut up you religious FREAK Ace!!

You're just asking for another paintball fight aren't ya frodo?

omg, people are using threads as if they were on an instant messenger and you could just type crap... lol @frodo @Ace

@frodo 4,500 posts... hahahaha

could you guys at least title your posts as 'CRAP TO PEE ON'

(March 23, 2010 at 8:41 pm)The_Flying_Skeptic Wrote: could you guys at least title your posts as 'CRAP TO PEE ON'

That would be a literal translation of my username you'll find.