(February 28, 2014 at 8:50 am)JesusLover1 Wrote:

(February 28, 2014 at 8:49 am)catman Wrote: I don't know what was before then. And neither do you.

But how did nothing become something? I'm genuinely curious.

Here's a simplification of one way: 0=-2+1+1. Nothing can be anything as long as it all cancels out.

More complicatedly, first, you would have to establish that there actually was ever a state that prevailed where there wasn't something, before you could claim that nothing became something. It seems to be the case that absolute nothingness is impossible to achieve, or at least it's difficult to come up with math consistent with known physics that allows it. At the planck scale, it seems quantum foam, which is very nearly, but not actually, nothing, must exist. Quantum foam is the state in which vacuum fluctuations are constantly occurring at the subatomic scale. One theory of cosmological origins is that a vacuum fluctuation can grow out of control to become an entire universe. This implies that there are many universes. It also explains why some features of our universe are the way they are, particularly it having an energy budget that approaches zero.

If true nothingness is not impossible, it is probably unstable.

And that's just ONE theory for a natural cause for the origin of the universe.

Guys this all very overwhelming. To the person asking if I had any other disorders, non diagnosed, but I definantly show some signs of ADD (but it might just be part of the OCD). My mom and dad are amazing, they would do anything for me, and I feel awful for somehow portraying them poorly to you guys. I just wanted to tell you guys what I've been told about God.

(February 28, 2014 at 9:09 am)JesusLover1 Wrote: I'm terrified guys. I know the Christian God makes no sense, but I don't want to be wrong and go the hell. The thought of hell weighs deep on me everyday.

I regard this as evidence tending to confirm that you are a Poe. You're giving in too easily.

*from my church's website*
Don't want anyone to be to track them, stupid on my part. But here's the gist:
The believe in the trinity
Jesus was born of a virgin and is was a true God, true man.
They believe the Bible entirely to be the Word of God.
They believe in salvation through Jesus' blood.
They believe in sanctification by the blood Jesus' blood.
They believe in water baptism.
They believe in holy communion.
They believe in baptism of the Holy Spirit, as proven by speaking in tounges.
They believe in devine healing through Jesus
They believe Jesus will reutn
They believe in the bodily ressurection of believers to Heaven to have eternal life.

(February 28, 2014 at 1:45 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: I just wanted to tell you guys what I've been told about God.

Mission accomplished. You can stop now.

(February 28, 2014 at 12:54 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: My dad is a wonderful man. He is incredibly generous to me and our family, he has helped me and helped find people to help me through my severe OCD, and uses his chruch to reach out to prisons and donate money to needy causes. He's been there for me my whole life. Should I trust him, or a bunch of random joes on the internet who says me and my family are idiots?

Having mistaken beliefs doesn't make someone a bad person, or an idiot. Do you think Muslims and Hindus are idiots because they believe a different religion from you?

(February 28, 2014 at 1:45 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Guys this all very overwhelming. To the person asking if I had any other disorders, non diagnosed, but I definantly show some signs of ADD (but it might just be part of the OCD). My mom and dad are amazing, they would do anything for me, and I feel awful for somehow portraying them poorly to you guys. I just wanted to tell you guys what I've been told about God.

Ok, they may be cool people/good parents. But they apparently (by your account) know jack shit about atheism.

Again, I'd urge you to examine things for yourself. If you examine/question your beliefs and still think God is real, cool. It'll probably strengthen your faith.

If not, then that's also cool.

Think. Question everything.

(February 28, 2014 at 1:46 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: BTW this is from my church's website, which my dad is the pastor of, so this will sum up what they believe:
[snip]

I would delete that comment, your hometown and name of your father are traceable via this list using google

(February 28, 2014 at 1:46 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: BTW this is from my church's website, which my dad is the pastor of, so this will sum up what they believe:
•We believe in One God, being in Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
•We believe Jesus is the Son of God, being incarnate, was born of a Virgin and is true God and true man.
•We believe the Bible in its entirety, to be the Inspired Word of God.
•We believe in personal salvation of believers throught the shed blood of Jesus Christ.
•We believe in sanctification by the blood of Jesus Christ, in personal holiness of heart and life.
•We believe in water baptism by immersion. (Matt.28:19,Romans 6:3,4)
•We believe in Holy Communion as instructed by Jesus. (Matt.26:26-30)
•We believe in the baptism in the Holy Spirit, accompanied by the initial physical evidence of speaking in other tongues as the Holy Spirit gives utterance. (Acts 2:4)
•We believe in Divine healing, and that healing is included in the Atonement provided through Jesus death and resurrection.(1 Peter 2:24 Gal. 3:13)
•We believe in the iminent personal return of Jesus
•We believe in the bodily resurrection of believers to everlasting life in Heaven.

Im interested in the website.. what is it?

(February 28, 2014 at 1:45 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Guys this all very overwhelming. To the person asking if I had any other disorders, non diagnosed, but I definantly show some signs of ADD (but it might just be part of the OCD). My mom and dad are amazing, they would do anything for me, and I feel awful for somehow portraying them poorly to you guys. I just wanted to tell you guys what I've been told about God.

I'm sure your parents are nice people. At least they've been nice to you, so far. If you ever tell them you're gay or you're an atheist, that might change really quick.

Anyway, just because they're nice doesn't mean they're correct. In fact, sometimes telling a lie is easier than telling the truth. Lies can be very comforting. But just because they're comforting doesn't make them any more true.