Well, abolishing marriage certificates is the same as abolishing marriage.
Marriage is a legal bond, its an institution, a public institution.

If you do not wish it to be certified by the state, you might as well abolish it.
Though really, I'd say that anyone who wishes to do this for the sake of a "sexual minority" is a madman.

Quote: Aren't there enough people in this world?

I think this is a rather stupid question, if you don't wish to have children, you're free not to have them. But having children is actually the thing that keeps a species from going extinct. By this faulty logic, we should start a third world war and make sure that we're making extensive use of all forms of nuclear, chemical and biological weaponry to make you say "there aren't enough people in the world".

As for your inquiry about "why do we want more of society to be married and have children? " is that a child born into marriage, therefore into a proper family is able to support the child well into college without the child having to actually work to support his single mother, or the single mother having to work more than two jobs to support her children.

That's how I got my diploma. I didn't have to work a part time job to get it, my family was there to support me, and I assure you, not just my father and mother, but my uncles, my aunt, my grandparents...Here, family is everything, but you seem to be so eager to discredit its use to society.

(March 4, 2014 at 8:29 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Well, abolishing marriage certificates is the same as abolishing marriage.
Marriage is a legal bond, its an institution, a public institution.

If you do not wish it to be certified by the state, you might as well abolish it.
Though really, I'd say that anyone who wishes to do this for the sake of a "sexual minority" is a madman.

Quote: Aren't there enough people in this world?

I think this is a rather stupid question, if you don't wish to have children, you're free not to have them. But having children is actually the thing that keeps a species from going extinct. By this faulty logic, we should start a third world war and make sure that we're making extensive use of all forms of nuclear, chemical and biological weaponry to make you say "there aren't enough people in the world".

As for your inquiry about "why do we want more of society to be married and have children? " is that a child born into marriage, therefore into a proper family is able to support the child well into college without the child having to actually work to support his single mother, or the single mother having to work more than two jobs to support her children.

That's how I got my diploma. I didn't have to work a part time job to get it, my family was there to support me, and I assure you, not just my father and mother, but my uncles, my aunt, my grandparents...Here, family is everything, but you seem to be so eager to discredit its use to society.

First off, abolishing marriage certificates is hardly abolishing marriage. Do you need the state to tell you that your relationship has value? If so I fear your priorities in life. If you want a religious ceremony, wear a ring and call yourself married, you are free to do so without a piece of paper from the government. Also it's hardly for a sexual minority as I stated in the opening post. There are more unmarried adults than married adults in the United States now (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/26/us/26marry.html?_r=0), yet they actually have to pay more taxes than their married counterparts. Also obviously children keep the species going. I don't think that you seriously thought I was suggesting that nobody have children. That's crazy and also obviously not what I was saying. People will have children without a tax incentive to do so and that's what we should get rid of.

(March 2, 2014 at 1:59 am)Clueless Morgan Wrote: As for tax breaks simply for getting married, from my totally unbiased vantage point as a single person , that is totally crap. Why should I pay more taxes because through, choice or circumstance, I am unmarried? Everyone who earns a taxable income should be taxed individually. Just my opinion.

This is an example of the nirvana fallacy, that because something is not perfect, it therefore cannot be good. I believe single parents also get tax breaks, as well as other opportunities denied to childless individuals or couples, but I am not familiar with the specifics. That the system doesn't work perfectly is not a valid argument against using the system at all.

(March 7, 2014 at 6:31 pm)rasetsu Wrote:

(March 2, 2014 at 1:59 am)Clueless Morgan Wrote: As for tax breaks simply for getting married, from my totally unbiased vantage point as a single person , that is totally crap. Why should I pay more taxes because through, choice or circumstance, I am unmarried? Everyone who earns a taxable income should be taxed individually. Just my opinion.

This is an example of the nirvana fallacy, that because something is not perfect, it therefore cannot be good. I believe single parents also get tax breaks, as well as other opportunities denied to childless individuals or couples, but I am not familiar with the specifics. That the system doesn't work perfectly is not a valid argument against using the system at all.

Not really sure how you came to that conclusion. I think if he used this as a reason to abolish taxes altogether it would qualify as that. I don't see him saying anything like that. Why should societies promote having children in an overpopulated world?

(March 7, 2014 at 6:42 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Why should societies promote having children in an overpopulated world?

Because no one can conclusively prove we are overpopulated?

I did a random google search and it's a back and forth discussion even among experts.

(March 7, 2014 at 7:50 pm)Rahul Wrote:

(March 7, 2014 at 6:42 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Why should societies promote having children in an overpopulated world?

Because no one can conclusively prove we are overpopulated?

I did a random google search and it's a back and forth discussion even among experts.

Even if you were to accept that the world isn't overpopulated, I still can't fathom why we promote marriage and having children.

(March 7, 2014 at 8:06 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Even if you were to accept that the world isn't overpopulated, I still can't fathom why we promote marriage and having children.

I really don't think tax breaks promote marriage and having children. Rather it strengthens marriage and helps raise children better.

Most marriages result in children. Studies show that the less poverty children have growing up the lower their incarceration rate, higher native intelligence, higher educational achievement, etc.

It's more to assist with having more desirable future citizens I would think.