(March 10, 2014 at 12:18 pm)discipulus Wrote:

(March 10, 2014 at 12:14 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: I was once a follower of Christianity so I "get it." But, one has to redefine how he/she perceives reality in the truest sense of the word, for the spiritual realm might seem real, but it isn't.

Feelings, coincidental outcomes that seem to have sprung forth from prayer, opinion, etc...are not based on objective reality. It is far better for a religious person to say, "I choose to believe that God exists," rather than "Jesus is alive!"

But, such is life when you have lost touch with reality and live your life half planted in a fantasy world. :/ I don't mean that in an offensive way; I truly think that religion robs a person of a valuable life firmly planted in reality.

Have you been born from above?

I'm a product of evolution. Just like you, boy.

(March 10, 2014 at 12:16 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:

(March 10, 2014 at 11:46 am)discipulus Wrote: I think some spend a couple minutes perusing the various writings of internet "infidels" and conclude Jesus never existed based on these writings.

I think you spent a couple minutes skimming objections, and went back to reciting your same claims without really addressing them.

I do not constitute as objections, rebuttals based on strawmen or misconstruals of my statements. Nor do I consider statements such as "Jesus never existed" to really be worthy of a reaponse.

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(March 10, 2014 at 12:23 pm)Deidre32 Wrote:

(March 10, 2014 at 12:18 pm)discipulus Wrote: Have you been born from above?

I'm a product of evolution. Just like you, boy.

I presume that means no.

Moving forward...

How can you say the spiritual realm does not exist?

(March 10, 2014 at 12:23 pm)Deidre32 Wrote:

(March 10, 2014 at 12:18 pm)discipulus Wrote: Have you been born from above?

I'm a product of evolution. Just like you, boy.

Ooh.. two snaps and a bag of chips......!!!

(March 10, 2014 at 12:25 pm)discipulus Wrote:

(March 10, 2014 at 12:16 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: I think you spent a couple minutes skimming objections, and went back to reciting your same claims without really addressing them.

I do not constitute as objections, rebuttals based on strawmen or misconstruals of my statements. Nor do I consider statements such as "Jesus never existed" to really be worthy of a reaponse.

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(March 10, 2014 at 12:23 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: I'm a product of evolution. Just like you, boy.

I presume that means no.

Moving forward...

How can you say the spiritual realm does not exist?

How can you say that it does, since by definition the spirit realm cannot be empirically measured...

(March 10, 2014 at 12:31 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: How can you say that it does, since by definition the spirit realm cannot be empirically measured...

Then whats the point in a spirit meter?

(March 10, 2014 at 12:31 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote:

(March 10, 2014 at 12:25 pm)discipulus Wrote: I do not constitute as objections, rebuttals based on strawmen or misconstruals of my statements. Nor do I consider statements such as "Jesus never existed" to really be worthy of a reaponse.

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I presume that means no.

Moving forward...

How can you say the spiritual realm does not exist?

How can you say that it does, since by definition the spirit realm cannot be empirically measured...

I am not an empiricist. There are several things I maintain exist that cannot be empirically measured.

(March 10, 2014 at 12:25 pm)discipulus Wrote:

(March 10, 2014 at 12:16 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: I think you spent a couple minutes skimming objections, and went back to reciting your same claims without really addressing them.

I do not constitute as objections, rebuttals based on strawmen or misconstruals of my statements. Nor do I consider statements such as "Jesus never existed" to really be worthy of a reaponse.

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(March 10, 2014 at 12:23 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: I'm a product of evolution. Just like you, boy.

I presume that means no.

Moving forward...

How can you say the spiritual realm does not exist?

Let me rephrase, sorry. No one knows if a spiritual realm exists or does not. Currently, there is no evidence (legit) to confirm that it exists. It's currently a manifestation of wishful thinking and imagination.

You know this is true but you hope in a higher power. I don't think what you believe is stupid. I just hope for you to be honest with what it is you "think" you believe.

(March 10, 2014 at 12:14 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: I was once a follower of Christianity so I "get it." But, one has to redefine how he/she perceives reality in the truest sense of the word, for the spiritual realm might seem real, but it isn't.

Feelings, coincidental outcomes that seem to have sprung forth from prayer, opinion, etc...are not based on objective reality. It is far better for a religious person to say, "I choose to believe that God exists," rather than "Jesus is alive!"

I wouldn't have worded it like that...
I don't think people choose to believe in whatever... It looks more like they have no choice on the matter... they just believe.

After adequate instruction, they may either choose to dismiss anything that brings that belief into question, or come to the point where they no longer believe.

(March 10, 2014 at 12:44 pm)Deidre32 Wrote:

(March 10, 2014 at 12:25 pm)discipulus Wrote: I do not constitute as objections, rebuttals based on strawmen or misconstruals of my statements. Nor do I consider statements such as "Jesus never existed" to really be worthy of a reaponse.

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I presume that means no.

Moving forward...

How can you say the spiritual realm does not exist?

Let me rephrase, sorry. No one knows if a spiritual realm exists or does not. Currently, there is no evidence (legit) to confirm that it exists. It's currently a manifestation of wishful thinking and imagination.

You know this is true but you hope in a higher power. I don't think what you believe is stupid. I just hope for you to be honest with what it is you "think" you believe.

I know it exists so your statement is incorrect.

(March 10, 2014 at 12:41 pm)discipulus Wrote:

(March 10, 2014 at 12:31 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: How can you say that it does, since by definition the spirit realm cannot be empirically measured...

I am not an empiricist. There are several things I maintain exist that cannot be empirically measured.

Like what?