Subtle, Stim.

It occurs to me that I've posted in this thread a few times now, to prove the irrelevance of the original question, but I really missed the most obvious response that I should have posted first.

To the original poster: Why do you ask? Seriously, why did you start this thread?

And no, your generic "I wanted to know what you would do" babble isn't an acceptable answer. You posted a leading question with only one correct answer. It's obvious that you were trying to bait people into giving you the only logical answer to your illogical question. The real question is why.

Of course, this thread has gone on long enough that you've already shown us why, in post #28:

(March 11, 2014 at 11:08 am)Revelation777 Wrote:

(March 11, 2014 at 12:20 am)paulpablo Wrote: In my lifetime I've learned only liars claim to supernaturally heal, perform miracles and so on. So I'd assume jesus was lying.

If on the other hand jesus performed miracles like healing me. sorting out my knee and shoulder aches I get then yeh I'd probably follow Jesus at least for a bit and listen to what he has to say.
I think I'd at least owe him that.

I admire your honesty and would love to see you follow Him and how you would of responded from that point on

So you post a dishonest question (make the miracles and healing an assumption of the question, to hide that they're just as hypothetical as the "if you lived back then" part), then take people's only logical possible response and turn it into an excuse to start preaching. Did you contact paulpablo privately after that post to start preaching at him privately? You're not interested in the joking or insulting responses (of which there are many, AF being what it is), just the responses from those who took your question at face value and responded with the only logical answer, which lets you say "Gotcha!"

It's funny, as an atheist and vegetarian, I see the same tactics used against both groups. On a veggie forum where I've been a member for years, the classic example of a hypothetical "Gotcha!" question is the "What if you were stranded on a deserted island, and there were only animals to eat?" Some people on that forum talk about answering the question by shooting holes in the hypothetical scenario ("I'd eat whatever plants are keeping those animals alive"). But it's obvious that the only reason the question is ever asked is to get the veg to admit that they'd eat animals if it were truly necessary for their survival, as if that small concession was meaningful and proved that the veg person isn't truly "pure" in their veg beliefs. So I keep saying the best answer to that "What if" scenario is "Why? Do you know many people that's happened to?"

Hypothetical philosophical questions can be interesting to discuss among people who aren't trying to promote an agenda. But I don't play the hypothetical question games with people who are really just attacking those who disagree with them.

(March 11, 2014 at 9:51 am)Aral Gamelon Wrote:

(March 10, 2014 at 10:26 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Not that you believe, but let's just say that you lived and witness Jesus as He is described in Scripture. Out of curiosity, you listened to Him speak, you saw him heal, you witnessed the miracles, etc. How would you of reacted?

I would have asked him to join me on my helter skelter mission to rescue the hobbits from Isengard.

Aw fuck, sorry, sorry everyone! Got my fantasy storylines mixed up again. My bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWsuzRmqDuw

(March 12, 2014 at 10:46 am)JesusHChrist Wrote:

(March 12, 2014 at 10:28 am)Revelation777 Wrote: As far as I know "Spring-healed Jack" didn't turn the world upside down. Doesn't have countless books and songs written about him. Doesn't have millions if not billions of true followers. Doesn't have people who sacrificed their lives because of him. Just my thoughts.

Mohamed turned the world upside down and you don't follow Allah. Many songs and books written. Billions of followers. Countless "martyrs" died for the cause.

All in all just an argument from popularity. If Britney sells a million records, does that make her music good? Really, your arguments have been slaughtered before.

But there is one thing you theists could produce that might convince the unbeliever....

All that is missing is evidence your god boy is divine. Got any?

And those are just my thoughts.

Mohamed is still in his grave, Jesus rose from His! Praise God!

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(March 12, 2014 at 11:23 am)Fromper Wrote:

(March 12, 2014 at 10:28 am)Revelation777 Wrote: I didn't ask "If there was proof of God's existence, would you believe in God's existence?" Rather, if there was a Jesus who indeed was performing real miracles how would you respond to that?

Exactly how is "If there was proof of God's existence" different than "if there was a Jesus who indeed was performing real miracles"? Given the Christian assumption of Jesus as God, performing "real miracles" would be proof to support God's existence.

This is like asking "If you were there on the Death Star, and Darth Vader choked you without physically touching you, would you believe in The Force?" It's a loaded question with only one correct answer: "Yes, when faced with indisputable proof of the impossible, I would believe the impossible", which is exactly the same as the only correct answer to your question. And it's equally relevant to your question.

Not necessarily, there were people in Jesus who witnessed the miracles He performed and still wanted Him killed.

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(March 12, 2014 at 11:52 am)Stimbo Wrote:

(March 10, 2014 at 10:26 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Not that you believe, but let's just say that you lived and witness Jesus as He is described in Scripture. Out of curiosity, you listened to Him speak, you saw him heal, you witnessed the miracles, etc. How would you of reacted?

So it's all about the miracles. Interesting.

And it's "How would you have".

Its not all about the miracles. Millions believe in Him today and never witnessed any.

(March 12, 2014 at 6:45 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:

(March 12, 2014 at 10:46 am)JesusHChrist Wrote: Mohamed turned the world upside down and you don't follow Allah. Many songs and books written. Billions of followers. Countless "martyrs" died for the cause.

All in all just an argument from popularity. If Britney sells a million records, does that make her music good? Really, your arguments have been slaughtered before.

But there is one thing you theists could produce that might convince the unbeliever....

All that is missing is evidence your god boy is divine. Got any?

And those are just my thoughts.

Mohamed is still in his grave, Jesus rose from His! Praise God!

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(March 12, 2014 at 11:23 am)Fromper Wrote: Exactly how is "If there was proof of God's existence" different than "if there was a Jesus who indeed was performing real miracles"? Given the Christian assumption of Jesus as God, performing "real miracles" would be proof to support God's existence.

This is like asking "If you were there on the Death Star, and Darth Vader choked you without physically touching you, would you believe in The Force?" It's a loaded question with only one correct answer: "Yes, when faced with indisputable proof of the impossible, I would believe the impossible", which is exactly the same as the only correct answer to your question. And it's equally relevant to your question.

Not necessarily, there were people in Jesus who witnessed the miracles He performed and still wanted Him killed.

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(March 12, 2014 at 11:52 am)Stimbo Wrote: So it's all about the miracles. Interesting.

And it's "How would you have".

Its not all about the miracles. Millions believe in Him today and never witnessed any.

Where did u get the evidence for ur claim

(March 12, 2014 at 6:45 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Its not all about the miracles. Millions believe in Him today and never witnessed any.

That you chose to mention the miracles, let alone keep on about them, suggests you attach importance to them. Why even bring them up in your hypothetical?

(March 12, 2014 at 6:45 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Mohamed is still in his grave, Jesus rose from His! Praise God!

There is little to no evidence Jesus even existed much less that he "rose" from a grave. Just a story in a book with no more credibility than other tall tales.

There is little to no evidence Mohamed existed either, but that's another topic.

(March 12, 2014 at 12:43 pm)Fromper Wrote: It occurs to me that I've posted in this thread a few times now, to prove the irrelevance of the original question, but I really missed the most obvious response that I should have posted first.

To the original poster: Why do you ask? Seriously, why did you start this thread?

And no, your generic "I wanted to know what you would do" babble isn't an acceptable answer. You posted a leading question with only one correct answer. It's obvious that you were trying to bait people into giving you the only logical answer to your illogical question. The real question is why.

Of course, this thread has gone on long enough that you've already shown us why, in post #28:

(March 11, 2014 at 11:08 am)Revelation777 Wrote: I admire your honesty and would love to see you follow Him and how you would of responded from that point on

So you post a dishonest question (make the miracles and healing an assumption of the question, to hide that they're just as hypothetical as the "if you lived back then" part), then take people's only logical possible response and turn it into an excuse to start preaching. Did you contact paulpablo privately after that post to start preaching at him privately? You're not interested in the joking or insulting responses (of which there are many, AF being what it is), just the responses from those who took your question at face value and responded with the only logical answer, which lets you say "Gotcha!"

It's funny, as an atheist and vegetarian, I see the same tactics used against both groups. On a veggie forum where I've been a member for years, the classic example of a hypothetical "Gotcha!" question is the "What if you were stranded on a deserted island, and there were only animals to eat?" Some people on that forum talk about answering the question by shooting holes in the hypothetical scenario ("I'd eat whatever plants are keeping those animals alive"). But it's obvious that the only reason the question is ever asked is to get the veg to admit that they'd eat animals if it were truly necessary for their survival, as if that small concession was meaningful and proved that the veg person isn't truly "pure" in their veg beliefs. So I keep saying the best answer to that "What if" scenario is "Why? Do you know many people that's happened to?"

Hypothetical philosophical questions can be interesting to discuss among people who aren't trying to promote an agenda. But I don't play the hypothetical question games with people who are really just attacking those who disagree with them.

I'm thankful you put so much time and thought into this. If I were an atheist perhaps you would of been more in the question rather then the why I posted it.

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(March 12, 2014 at 7:04 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote:

(March 12, 2014 at 6:45 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Mohamed is still in his grave, Jesus rose from His! Praise God!

There is little to no evidence Jesus even existed much less that he "rose" from a grave. Just a story in a book with no more credibility than other tall tales.

There is little to no evidence Mohamed existed either, but that's another topic.

I believe He rose and so do many others. I believe Jesus is who He said He is.

(March 10, 2014 at 11:57 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:

(March 10, 2014 at 10:49 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Crossless1 spits on the ground and mutters, "Bah, another cheap imitator of Apollonius of Tyana. Let's go home, kids."

An irreverent but clever reply.

Heck, back then everyone was full of tricks. Besides Jesus there was Bar-Jesus, Peter, Paul, John and James. There was even an angel that hung out at the local pool.

Quote:I believe He rose and so do many others. I believe Jesus is who He said He is.

What you 'believe' is totally fucking irrelevant.