(March 13, 2014 at 6:28 pm)shep Wrote: if you're going down the route of cherry picking you'll always end up with a severe case of cognitive dissonance somewhere down the line.

Jacob seems to be saying it's all good as long as it gives "dem feels."

(March 13, 2014 at 5:14 pm)Rayaan Wrote:

(March 13, 2014 at 9:03 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: 2. I've experienced a far better life following the laws and moralities I've cherry picked from the new testament.

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I can hold my hands up to a charge of intellectual dishonesty here, choosing to believe that something objectively less likely is true because it feels good to do so.

If you're going to cherry pick from a particular book, and doing that only because it makes you "feel good," then why don't you also cherrypick things from the Quran, Vedas, Torah, Dao De Jing, Meshaf Resh, Guru Granth Sahib, and other religious books all at the same time to make yourself feel even BETTER? You may as well go ahead and mix up all the different books of morality in a cherry-picked fashion to make yourself feel better, if you don't care about being objectively correct.

Oh I do. There are many secular and religious concepts I enjoy and fold into my world view. It's just most of the core ones come from the red letters of the bible. The ones I don't think apply to today's culture I ignore.

So far as the didactic, moral and legislative side it's the ones which seem most functional which I adopt rather than than the ones that feel better. It's the "spiritual" side which makes me feel good.

Perhaps it's like takeaway. You don't have to like everything on the Chinese menu to like Chinese food. And I will have the occasional pizza or indian. But Its more a question of being healthier since I've been eating (mainly) Chinese than liking it more.

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(March 13, 2014 at 8:31 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:

(March 13, 2014 at 6:28 pm)shep Wrote: if you're going down the route of cherry picking you'll always end up with a severe case of cognitive dissonance somewhere down the line.

Jacob seems to be saying it's all good as long as it gives "dem feels."

Jacob is doing what works for him . I'm not selling anything so whether anyone else finds it appealing or rational doesn't much matter to me

(March 12, 2014 at 4:41 pm)ronedee Wrote: Maybe because....THEY ARE GOD!

More like you say they are God, and we don't believe you. For starters, it's not something you can know. So we're being asked to love someone more than our own families based on hearsay.

Ever think Jesus might have occasionally been misquoted?

(March 14, 2014 at 9:59 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(March 12, 2014 at 4:41 pm)ronedee Wrote: Maybe because....THEY ARE GOD!

More like you say they are God, and we don't believe you. For starters, it's not something you can know. So we're being asked to love someone more than our own families based on hearsay.

Ever think Jesus might have occasionally been misquoted?

And again... we stumble on pebbles. Some things are morally self-evident.

God stands for ALL those things. We don't need Him to say anything! Its all been said.

No words are necessary!

We just need to wait....Hope & pray we listened correctly.

(March 14, 2014 at 7:22 pm)ronedee Wrote:

(March 14, 2014 at 9:59 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: More like you say they are God, and we don't believe you. For starters, it's not something you can know. So we're being asked to love someone more than our own families based on hearsay.

Ever think Jesus might have occasionally been misquoted?

And again... we stumble on pebbles. Some things are morally self-evident.

God stands for ALL those things. We don't need Him to say anything! Its all been said.

No words are necessary!

We just need to wait....Hope & pray we listened correctly.

Oh I see, so God is whatever definition seems right to me! Brilliant!

(March 14, 2014 at 7:22 pm)ronedee Wrote:

(March 14, 2014 at 9:59 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: More like you say they are God, and we don't believe you. For starters, it's not something you can know. So we're being asked to love someone more than our own families based on hearsay.

Ever think Jesus might have occasionally been misquoted?

And again... we stumble on pebbles. Some things are morally self-evident.

God stands for ALL those things. We don't need Him to say anything! Its all been said.

No words are necessary!

We just need to wait....Hope & pray we listened correctly.

On our knees?

(March 13, 2014 at 9:03 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: I can hold my hands up to a charge of intellectual dishonesty here, choosing to believe that something objectively less likely is true because it feels good to do so. My only defence to that is "Fuck you" .

(March 14, 2014 at 5:56 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Jacob is doing what works for him . I'm not selling anything so whether anyone else finds it appealing or rational doesn't much matter to me

These are two sentiments I have often felt about my own decision to embrace deism.
I guess this means I have to back off you now - otherwise I'm a raging hypocrite ... and hey, I try to keep my hypocrisy to a bare minimum.

(March 14, 2014 at 7:22 pm)ronedee Wrote: God stands for ALL those things. We don't need Him to say anything! Its all been said.

That is a primary problem with Christianity, and one of the major reasons the belief system will not survive human evolution. What the bible has to state was for yesterday and no longer can apply to us as a society today no matter how much Apologists attempt to carry a primitive religion over to the future.

(March 14, 2014 at 7:22 pm)ronedee Wrote: And again... we stumble on pebbles. Some things are morally self-evident.

Ah yes, "self-evident." The trademark of those too lazy to actually defend their ideas, and too arrogant to see that their assertions mean no more than anyone else's.

Quote:The trademark of those too lazy to actually defend their ideas, and too arrogant to see that their assertions mean no more than anyone else's.

That's self evidently true