Epicurus paradox is what completely destroyed my faith.

(March 14, 2014 at 5:54 pm)tor Wrote: Epicurus paradox is what completely destroyed my faith.

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - 'the Epicurean paradox'

What religion were you, if any?

(March 14, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Bad Writer Wrote:

(March 14, 2014 at 5:54 pm)tor Wrote: Epicurus paradox is what completely destroyed my faith.

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - 'the Epicurean paradox'

What religion were you, if any?

Not really beleiving this Paradox. The idea is that God doesn't help because he doesn't want to babysit humans or treat us like robots. We make mistakes, learn, get hurt, grow and go to heaven. So he is able, willing, but won't do.

(March 14, 2014 at 5:53 pm)LittleAFish Wrote:

(March 14, 2014 at 5:44 pm)Chad32 Wrote: The internet, and the porn information it provides has got to be one of the best things of our time. I was an adult before we got it in our house, and I started using it, and it is way better than what I thought it would be at first.

Porn is not very bad at all.
When did you become an atheist? Before or after gaining internet access? Or did your discoveries online consolidate your knowledge? Sorry if I'm asuming all this.

After the internet. That was when I really started talking to other atheists, or people of other religion, and watching videos. I hadn't been strong in christianity for a while before then, but I hadn't made a real decision to be against it. Moving to another town played some part too, because I was away from familiar faces. It felt different going to a different church where I didn't know anyone, despite them being nice.

LittleAFish, I really don't think Yahweh seems to care if we grow as a people or anything. He just seemed to want complete obedience to him, though of course that's as up to interpretation as anything else.

(March 14, 2014 at 6:07 pm)Chad32 Wrote:

(March 14, 2014 at 5:53 pm)LittleAFish Wrote: Porn is not very bad at all.
When did you become an atheist? Before or after gaining internet access? Or did your discoveries online consolidate your knowledge? Sorry if I'm asuming all this.

After the internet. That was when I really started talking to other atheists, or people of other religion, and watching videos. I hadn't been strong in christianity for a while before then, but I hadn't made a real decision to be against it. Moving to another town played some part too, because I was away from familiar faces. It felt different going to a different church where I didn't know anyone, despite them being nice.

LittleAFish, I really don't think Yahweh seems to care if we grow as a people or anything. He just seemed to want complete obedience to him, though of course that's as up to interpretation as anything else.

Ah, I see. Perhaps if I move location, I'll have more freedom to grow. God cares, unless you annoy him, in that case he will smite you.

(March 14, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Bad Writer Wrote:

(March 14, 2014 at 5:54 pm)tor Wrote: Epicurus paradox is what completely destroyed my faith.

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - 'the Epicurean paradox'

What religion were you, if any?

I was a christian. I seen a lot of evil which I would stop if I could and if I would do it god also would do it. But he never does. So I stopped believing.
Of course god could be malevolent but I don't want to believe in such a god until we find one.

(March 14, 2014 at 6:05 pm)LittleAFish Wrote:

(March 14, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Bad Writer Wrote: "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - 'the Epicurean paradox'

What religion were you, if any?

Not really beleiving this Paradox. The idea is that God doesn't help because he doesn't want to babysit humans or treat us like robots. We make mistakes, learn, get hurt, grow and go to heaven. So he is able, willing, but won't do.

God is a he?

(March 14, 2014 at 8:52 pm)truthBtold Wrote:

(March 14, 2014 at 6:05 pm)LittleAFish Wrote: Not really beleiving this Paradox. The idea is that God doesn't help because he doesn't want to babysit humans or treat us like robots. We make mistakes, learn, get hurt, grow and go to heaven. So he is able, willing, but won't do.

God is a he?

God is?

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(The answer: God isn't.)

(March 14, 2014 at 8:52 pm)truthBtold Wrote:

(March 14, 2014 at 6:05 pm)LittleAFish Wrote: Not really beleiving this Paradox. The idea is that God doesn't help because he doesn't want to babysit humans or treat us like robots. We make mistakes, learn, get hurt, grow and go to heaven. So he is able, willing, but won't do.

God is a he?

Well it's not like the lord of all creation would be a woman. They're only good for making babies and cooking food. Logically a deity probably wouldn't have a gender, and some gods are formed through means that are quite different from the way we do it, but they're usually referred to as a he or she.

(March 14, 2014 at 8:52 pm)truthBtold Wrote: God is a he?

Not easy to create anything while on your knees.