(March 18, 2014 at 9:35 pm)Aral Gamelon Wrote:

(March 18, 2014 at 9:14 pm)discipulus Wrote: Actually all I am doing is asking someone to support their statements. Maybe you are not used to having your views questioned and thus are suspicious of anyone who does.

Aww, aren't you adorable. I'm the only atheist in a Christian family with a brother in law and a father with a PhD and an MD, I'm quite used to having my beliefs questioned boyo.

(March 18, 2014 at 9:14 pm)discipulus Wrote: Maybe you need to realize that you and everyone else here has a burden to bear. You have views just like I do. They differ no doubt. But you do not get a pass. You are not exempt.

The burden for the veracity of your God is yours, evolution is a scientific theory not a casual theory and if you reject even that much then there is no conversation here because you are not rational. If you cannot accept that we descend from other species then go bury yourself in your bible and leave the talking to the adults.

(March 18, 2014 at 9:14 pm)discipulus Wrote: And since you no doubt would have others think you an intellectual, you need to step up to the plate and bear your burden or either go sit on the bench and talk to the water cooler.

The burden is not mine to bear, you refuse to accept scientific fact. If you cannot accept the work of those in the field of science, then the burden is yours to bear to prove them wrong. You're up to bat little man and we, those who subscribe to rationality and science, are waiting.

I subscribe to both. I just do not worship them as you do.

(March 18, 2014 at 9:37 pm)discipulus Wrote: I subscribe to both. I just do not worship them as you do.

Nice dodge. Are you going to beat around the bush or are you going to disprove the theory of evolution and accept your Nobel? If not, then kindly move on.

(March 18, 2014 at 9:31 pm)discipulus Wrote:

(March 18, 2014 at 9:22 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Don't take this the wrong way, I'm honestly curious:

Do you have some sort of learning disorder that prevents you from retaining new information?

It's already been explained to you multiple times why you've mischaracterized what evolution states, and why empirically testable theories repeatedly verified by observation do not require "faith".

You seem to have extreme difficulty grasping basic principles of science, such as the difference between an hypothesis and a theory, what empirically verifiable means, and even the concept of testability.

If it's not a learning disability, it seems you're simply so dishonest you ignore reasonable and well supported objections, and repeat your original claim back like a parrot.

That's referred to as intellectual dishonesty, and frowned upon greatly in all academic areas.

Ahh, the old ad hominem....

I love them.... in fact they are delicious! It tells me you cannot attack my argument so you have to resort to attacking me personally.

I will leave you with a word from Old Hitch himself:

“I always think it’s a sign of victory when they move on to the ad hominem“ - Christopher Hitchens

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(March 18, 2014 at 9:27 pm)Chas Wrote: Argument from personal incredulity. And ignorance.

You do not know enough about the evidence to have an informed opinion.

Yea, I guess Barrow and Tipler and Craig need to sit under you old wise one and learn a thing or too as well.....right?

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(March 18, 2014 at 9:26 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: We have no such 'burden,' to you or any other religious person who willfully denies truth. This isn't a court of law. lol

Believe whatever you wish. It doesn't bother any of us, really. But, please don't insult us by using religion to refute science and then scold us when we call you out on it.

You have a burden whenever you say something that you want to be taken as more than just your opinion.

I do not attempt to refute science. I like science. I just do not worship it as a god and kneel before the men who speak on behalf of it.

lol No one here worships science. It just is. It doesn't require anything from me to exist. It just is.

Your 'god' needs YOU, your imagination...your belief...your faith...to exist. You breathe life into the very God you worship.

But, you question evolution.

The truth is, I could provide you with numerous links and ''evidence'' that you seek from me, and you still will debate me. Because your religion has caused you to refute uncomfortable truths.

(March 18, 2014 at 9:43 pm)Aral Gamelon Wrote:

(March 18, 2014 at 9:37 pm)discipulus Wrote: I subscribe to both. I just do not worship them as you do.

Nice dodge. Are you going to beat around the bush or are you going to disprove the theory of evolution and accept your Nobel? If not, then kindly move on.

Why would I want to disprove it?

(March 18, 2014 at 9:48 pm)discipulus Wrote:

(March 18, 2014 at 9:43 pm)Aral Gamelon Wrote: Nice dodge. Are you going to beat around the bush or are you going to disprove the theory of evolution and accept your Nobel? If not, then kindly move on.

Why would I want to disprove it?

You disagree with humans evolving from our ancestors, no?

(March 18, 2014 at 9:44 pm)Deidre32 Wrote:

(March 18, 2014 at 9:31 pm)discipulus Wrote: Ahh, the old ad hominem....

I love them.... in fact they are delicious! It tells me you cannot attack my argument so you have to resort to attacking me personally.

I will leave you with a word from Old Hitch himself:

“I always think it’s a sign of victory when they move on to the ad hominem“ - Christopher Hitchens

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Yea, I guess Barrow and Tipler and Craig need to sit under you old wise one and learn a thing or too as well.....right?

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You have a burden whenever you say something that you want to be taken as more than just your opinion.

I do not attempt to refute science. I like science. I just do not worship it as a god and kneel before the men who speak on behalf of it.

lol No one here worships science. It just is. It doesn't require anything from me to exist. It just is.

Your 'god' needs YOU, your imagination...your belief...your faith...to exist. You breathe life into the very God you worship.

But, you question evolution.

The truth is, I could provide you with numerous links and ''evidence'' that you seek from me, and you still will debate me. Because your religion has caused you to refute uncomfortable truths.

I question the belief that we owe our existence to a colossal accident. I question that because it is questionable to me.

If it is not questionable to you then fine. You are a woman of greater faith than I have ever met.

(March 18, 2014 at 9:31 pm)discipulus Wrote:

(March 18, 2014 at 9:27 pm)Chas Wrote: Argument from personal incredulity. And ignorance.

You do not know enough about the evidence to have an informed opinion.

Yea, I guess Barrow and Tipler and Craig need to sit under you old wise one and learn a thing or too as well.....right?

Barrow and Tipler are simply wrong in their views on the anthropic principle and clearly out of their depth on evolution.

Craig is a dishonest buffoon. Have you never watched any of his so-called 'debates'? He doesn't debate since he doesn't listen to or respond to his opponents' arguments.

(March 18, 2014 at 9:49 pm)Aral Gamelon Wrote:

(March 18, 2014 at 9:48 pm)discipulus Wrote: Why would I want to disprove it?

You disagree with humans evolving from our ancestors, no?

I am open to wherever the evidence leads. I can be far more objective than the naturalist.

My relationship with God is not going to be affected in the least bit by affirming or denying evolution. God is still God. Whatever way He chose to bring about the existence of mankind via special creation or evolution, He did what He wanted.

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(March 18, 2014 at 9:52 pm)Chas Wrote:

(March 18, 2014 at 9:31 pm)discipulus Wrote:

Yea, I guess Barrow and Tipler and Craig need to sit under you old wise one and learn a thing or too as well.....right?

Barrow and Tipler are simply wrong in their views on the anthropic principle and clearly out of their depth on evolution.

Craig is a dishonest buffoon. Have you never watched any of his so-called 'debates'? He doesn't debate since he doesn't listen to or respond to his opponents' arguments.

I love this stuff...

Yes, saying that we came into existence by numerous, highly improbable events that can be proven to have happened takes more faith than a magical being that cannot be proven to even exist invented the entire universe, that on just one of the billions upon billions of worlds there is just one species among millions that currently exist on that one tiny planet that the magical creator of everything is super concerned about how they act and what they believe.

This is what you have decided is a more logical conclusion and takes less faith to believe.

(March 18, 2014 at 9:53 pm)discipulus Wrote:

(March 18, 2014 at 9:49 pm)Aral Gamelon Wrote: You disagree with humans evolving from our ancestors, no?

I am open to wherever the evidence leads. I can be far more objective than the naturalist.

My relationship with God is not going to be affected in the least bit by affirming or denying evolution. God is still God. Whatever way He chose to bring about the existence of mankind via special creation or evolution, He did what He wanted.

Science and the bible don't mix, but hey if you need a sky-daddy that badly then have at it, just don't expect anyone outside your faith to take you seriously.