Your examples all fall under the provable condition that you already agreed to rule out. Can you try again please but this time try to stick to the constraints.

"Inextinguishable" using proofs like above you mean?!

(March 19, 2014 at 7:45 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(March 19, 2014 at 7:09 pm)tor Wrote: I'm not trying to prove that something which is unprovable is provable.
What I am saying is that you should not believe that something exists if it is indistinguishable from something that does not exist(which means that you had no contact with it personally and have no evidence to back it up).

You're not trying to prove it you're demanding illogical evidence.

Again, what kind of proof would you accept?

To elaborate a bit on what Tor is saying, here are the options when it comes to the existence of a god:

1. A god exists and it manifests in reality.
2. A god exists but it does not manifest in reality.
3. A god does not exist.

God number 1 exists and it manifests in reality. If it does, in theory, its interactions with reality are testable.

God number 2 exists but does not manifest in reality.

If the god you believe in is number 2, how is it distinguishable from god number 3?

(March 19, 2014 at 8:07 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Your examples all fall under the provable condition that you already agreed to rule out. Can you try again please but this time try to stick to the constraints.

"Inextinguishable" using proofs like above you mean?!

In order for me to believe in god he should manifest in reality. I will not believe in god who does not manifest in reality and nobody should.

There is a god and I am probably one of the few people to declare myself a gnostic deist

(March 19, 2014 at 8:09 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:

(March 19, 2014 at 7:45 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You're not trying to prove it you're demanding illogical evidence.

Again, what kind of proof would you accept?

To elaborate a bit on what Tor is saying, here are the options when it comes to the existence of a god:

1. A god exists and it manifests in reality.
2. A god exists but it does not manifest in reality.
3. A god does not exist.

God number 1 exists and it manifests in reality. If it does, in theory, its interactions with reality are testable.

God number 2 exists but does not manifest in reality.

If the god you believe in is number 2, how is it distinguishable from god number 3?

I believe in God #1

He interacts with reality, but logically you should not be able to prove that he does.

For example, God created this existence/ universe/ multiverse. So everything in it eminated from him. It is part of him. Everything is proof of the creator.

But that's assuming a creator. Equally, not assuming a creator results in no proof.

Faith. Trust in the rational proposition, cannot be possible if we didn't have to trust our reasoning, but could know objectively.

God is manifest in reality.

(March 20, 2014 at 2:52 am)fr0d0 Wrote:

(March 19, 2014 at 8:09 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: To elaborate a bit on what Tor is saying, here are the options when it comes to the existence of a god:

1. A god exists and it manifests in reality.
2. A god exists but it does not manifest in reality.
3. A god does not exist.

God number 1 exists and it manifests in reality. If it does, in theory, its interactions with reality are testable.

God number 2 exists but does not manifest in reality.

If the god you believe in is number 2, how is it distinguishable from god number 3?

I believe in God #1

He interacts with reality, but logically you should not be able to prove that he does.

For example, God created this existence/ universe/ multiverse. So everything in it eminated from him. It is part of him. Everything is proof of the creator.

But that's assuming a creator. Equally, not assuming a creator results in no proof.

Faith. Trust in the rational proposition, cannot be possible if we didn't have to trust our reasoning, but could know objectively.

God is manifest in reality.

God exists because universe exists? You fail frodo.
So far there is no way to tell the difference between universe created by a god and universe which is not created by a god.

Well the so called "god" never answers his emails (prayers) nor does he pick up the phone!

http://youtu.be/Bw6Z5xu83XQ

(March 20, 2014 at 5:56 am)tor Wrote: So far there is no way to tell the difference between universe created by a god and universe which is not created by a god.

By jingo I do believe you got it!!!

Well done!

So, I'm an atheist, but if some dick just walked up to me on the street and asked if I believed in god, I would probably tell him he's a dick.

I'm not understanding how you KNOW you have a 99% success rate, or even why you're doing it. It sounds like you're being really rude. It's like those pricks that come up to me out of the blue and ask if I'm ever going to have kids.

(March 20, 2014 at 3:30 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: So, I'm an atheist, but if some dick just walked up to me on the street and asked if I believed in god, I would probably tell him he's a dick.

I'm not understanding how you KNOW you have a 99% success rate, or even why you're doing it. It sounds like you're being really rude. It's like those pricks that come up to me out of the blue and ask if I'm ever going to have kids.

Hahaha. I know because god is no different from narnia and teenage mutant ninja turtles. So either god doesn't exist. Or everything ever imagined must exist.
You don't believe everything ever made up exists? Then god doesn't exist

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(March 20, 2014 at 3:20 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(March 20, 2014 at 5:56 am)tor Wrote: So far there is no way to tell the difference between universe created by a god and universe which is not created by a god.

By jingo I do believe you got it!!!

Well done!

So you still believe in God?