(March 23, 2014 at 6:42 pm)futilethewinds Wrote:

(March 23, 2014 at 6:34 pm)tor Wrote: Hmm so apparently it was perfectly possible for god to create world without evil.
And people would be happy there.
Ok good we owned that guy.

Do you feel better now?

The degree to which you seem to care about this amuses me so greatly. I think I can remember when I used to enter debates and care as much about "winning" them as much as you seem to.

i also noticed the same thing with him, i dont care much about winning an argument, but just put my point across and try to put some sense into theists

I don't care about winning but I think 44 days of torture is an important issue.

(March 23, 2014 at 7:25 pm)tor Wrote: I don't care about winning but I think 44 days of torture is an important issue.

welp if you say so. but i think an eternity of torture is even more important

Well we are discussing life on earth and how there is justice.

(March 23, 2014 at 7:40 pm)tor Wrote: Well we are discussing life on earth and how there is justice.

Well, um, thanks for giving us the play-by-play here, I guess.

Ok we progress a little but further.
He is saying that he does not need to justify evil in anyway because justice will be served. Bad people will be punished. Good people will be healed(including 16 year old girls who were tortured for 44 days).
And the only person who does not have justice is me because death is the end.

Is he trying to corner me or what?
I told him my justification is absence of somebody who can prevent evil while he has somebody who can but chooses not to.
Let's see what happens next.

(March 23, 2014 at 3:54 pm)tor Wrote: Could god design a world where love exists and hate does not and people are happy and nobody is getting tortured for 44 days and lit on fire at the end?
World with happiness and without suffering?
Does logic permit such a thing?

Why do you think that there is a god character?

Higher level animals display a range of emotions, including love and hate. Could those animals survive if they only had one emotion, such as love? How would they be able to kill their food if they were just restricted to the one emotion of love?

If humans only had the one emotion called love would it make them even more insane than most of them are now? Being able to experience and cope with the full range of emotions helps to maintain an animal's mental health.

(March 23, 2014 at 7:59 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(March 23, 2014 at 3:54 pm)tor Wrote: Could god design a world where love exists and hate does not and people are happy and nobody is getting tortured for 44 days and lit on fire at the end?
World with happiness and without suffering?
Does logic permit such a thing?

Why do you think that there is a god character?

Higher level animals display a range of emotions, including love and hate. Could those animals survive if they only had one emotion, such as love? How would they be able to kill their food if they were just restricted to the one emotion of love?

If humans only had the one emotion called love would it make them even more insane than most of them are now? Being able to experience and cope with the full range of emotions helps to maintain an animal's mental health.

Could god create world with good in it and without evil in it?

(March 23, 2014 at 6:53 pm)tor Wrote: Ok he brought this point.
He said that for love to exist evil also has to exist because otherwise we wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
What do you think about this?

I don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet but the opposite of love is not hate. It's indifference.

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(March 23, 2014 at 7:53 pm)tor Wrote: Ok we progress a little but further.
He is saying that he does not need to justify evil in anyway because justice will be served. Bad people will be punished. Good people will be healed(including 16 year old girls who were tortured for 44 days).
And the only person who does not have justice is me because death is the end.

Is he trying to corner me or what?
I told him my justification is absence of somebody who can prevent evil while he has somebody who can but chooses not to.
Let's see what happens next.

If he's a christian then he is wrong. In the christian faith everyone who accepts jesus goes to heaven and escapes any punishment. Bad person who accepts jesus right before they die has eternal reward. Good person who doesn't accept jesus has eternal punishment.

(March 23, 2014 at 4:42 pm)tor Wrote: Well there is a person who is saying that evil exists because god couldn't make a world where good exists and evil doesn't.
It's illogical he says.
So I wonder is it really logically impossible to create a world without evil in it?
He does believe in god and thinks the girl who was tortured for 44 days and lit on fire at the end will have a wonderful afterlife and justice will be served.
Which poses bunch of other questions like how can god create wonderful afterlife with no evil in it if he can't create a world without evil in it.
And if that's justice why didn't he prevent physically the torture of the girl in the first place? Where is justice in this?

I think he has no idea what he's talking about.

I'd be kind of curious as to what kind of Theist your friend is. If they are the type who believes in either a literal or metaphorical garden of Eden, then they defeat their own argument right there. I think the normal problem of evil question counters that point though, if God cannot create a world with no evil, then he is not omnipotent.