(April 11, 2010 at 10:55 pm)Eilonnwy Wrote: Nope.

I said contemporary evidence. There is none.

(April 12, 2010 at 1:21 am)Minimalist Wrote: We do not have any "original" Greek manuscripts. All we have are copies of copies of copies all of which have been shown by scholars such as Bart Ehrman to have loads of errors, edits and later additions.

Josephus was a 4th century forgery. Not a single xtian writer prior to that famed liar, Eusebius, makes reference to it. The third-century xtian apologist, Origen, made specific reference to Book XVIII of Antiquities of the Jews and still did not make reference to this piece of bullshit.

I see you gave up on Caesar real fast.


BTW, what did Herod write?

(April 12, 2010 at 1:44 am)The Piper Wrote:

(April 12, 2010 at 1:21 am)Minimalist Wrote: We do not have any "original" Greek manuscripts. All we have are copies of copies of copies all of which have been shown by scholars such as Bart Ehrman to have loads of errors, edits and later additions.

Josephus was a 4th century forgery. Not a single xtian writer prior to that famed liar, Eusebius, makes reference to it. The third-century xtian apologist, Origen, made specific reference to Book XVIII of Antiquities of the Jews and still did not make reference to this piece of bullshit.

I see you gave up on Caesar real fast.


BTW, what did Herod write?

I will be back to answer these questions later. I need to read back over some material that I have not read for some time, my memory is a little vague.

I have not given up on Caesar, although his carcass has probably decayed somewhat.

(April 12, 2010 at 1:57 am)Minimalist Wrote: The Romans practiced cremation.....in case you didn't know that either.

(April 12, 2010 at 2:00 am)The Piper Wrote:

(April 12, 2010 at 1:57 am)Minimalist Wrote: The Romans practiced cremation.....in case you didn't know that either.

Thanks for the heads up.

(April 12, 2010 at 1:44 am)The Piper Wrote: I have not given up on Caesar, although his carcass has probably decayed somewhat.

Quote:Evidence that Confirms the Existence of Caesar is Legion

– in stark contrast to the utter dearth of evidence for Jesus!



Unlike the mythical Jesus Christ, we know what Caesar looked like and we have a complete history of his life. In turn, general, orator, historian, statesman and lawgiver. We have words written by Caesar himself and words written by both his friends and his enemies. Artifacts confirm his life and death, as do his successors. Caesar established a style of government – and a calendar – which endured for centuries.

(April 8, 2010 at 3:49 pm)The_Flying_Skeptic Wrote:

(April 8, 2010 at 3:42 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

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People understand that they've been changed over time and were created by humans and are therefore potentially errant.

People don't place their faith in religious texts without question. Questioning is a core requirement of faith. It would be illogical to assume faith could exist without.

So, neither question applies to me, and I don't agree with people who act without thinking.

There are very many simple people who believe in a simple way. They possibly have a better understanding than you or I, and just get on with the practical application rather than over intellectualising.

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Why are you generalizing so much? I may be nit picking or whatever the term is... but you are being contradictory when you say that 'people' do such and such and then say you don't agree with people that don't do such and such. There are plenty people that call themselves Christian without ever questioning the foundations of Christianity, true?