(March 27, 2014 at 3:20 pm)xr34p3rx Wrote: but scientific evidence shows that its the complete opposite. i dont care what the person says, its how they can prove it.

Christians strive to protect their beliefs. The belief is more important than the evidence. Any supporting evidence is held onto, and any countering evidence is ignored.

This is not unique to religious people.

(March 27, 2014 at 5:04 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(March 27, 2014 at 3:20 pm)xr34p3rx Wrote: such as? most creationist models deny evolution completely

Hardly. It's a common misunderstanding that creationists all think that each species was a unique creation. The general view is that the first creatures were created with built-in variability which allowed for a certain amount of evolution. For instance, there may have been one animal that developed into deer, antelope, gazelles, or whatever. Each species has less genetic information than the original - that's the main difference. Creationists accept that loss of genetic information can cause morphological change and even speciation.

Some creationists absorb what science they can't deny, and still claim they have the "true story".

In about a hundred years, when education about what evolution actually states, and the evidence for it becomes too widespread, they'll just adopt the Catholic viewpoint, accept evolution completely, and announce that evolution shows the mechanism of God's wonderful creation.

(March 23, 2014 at 7:41 pm)xr34p3rx Wrote: How do you account for the different races in humanity if your god created only 1 pair of humans in the beginning? wouldnt that require some evolution even if you dont agree with the theory completely?

saying god made it that way doesnt count, that is an assertion and you have to back it up anyway.

Didn't you get the update?

Genesis 9:18-20 (MSG) = "The sons of Noah who came out of the ship were Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Ham was the father of Canaan. These are the three sons of Noah; from these three the whole Earth was populated."

To the OP's question, there was sufficient genetic variation left in Noah's sons (from Adam and Eve) and their wives to account for what we call "Races" today.
I might note that after all this time - there is much less variation possible now- unless the races mix back again.

(March 29, 2014 at 10:03 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(March 23, 2014 at 7:41 pm)xr34p3rx Wrote: How do you account for the different races in humanity if your god created only 1 pair of humans in the beginning? wouldnt that require some evolution even if you dont agree with the theory completely?

saying god made it that way doesnt count, that is an assertion and you have to back it up anyway.

Didn't you get the update?

Genesis 9:18-20 (MSG) = "The sons of Noah who came out of the ship were Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Ham was the father of Canaan. These are the three sons of Noah; from these three the whole Earth was populated."

race NOT population

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(March 29, 2014 at 10:26 pm)professor Wrote: To the OP's question, there was sufficient genetic variation left in Noah's sons (from Adam and Eve) and their wives to account for what we call "Races" today.
I might note that after all this time - there is much less variation possible now- unless the races mix back again.

yes but I'm asking if it were to require some type of evolution. and change in race is technically evolution

(March 29, 2014 at 6:08 pm)xr34p3rx Wrote: OK well if you have read the entire article, perhaps you understand or just know but don't agree?

I've read the entire article more than once. I agree with parts of it and disagree with parts.

Quote:and your second quote I was referring to creationists, that you agree and give them credit

No, I agree with some things creationists say and disagree with some.

I don't think origins is a study that lends itself well to scientific study, i.e. I don't buy either side. They take the same observable facts and try to hammer them into their existing framework. Sometimes it's a good fit, sometimes not so much.

Further, I can't really say I agree OR disagree with science, as I don't subscribe to peer-reviewed journals.

XR, if people gravitate toward people of their same skin tone and features (which seems to be the case often) and have children. Are those choices evolution?
If so then, yes, the descendants of Noah's kids and wives evolved.
Although I see no linkage with what Darwin proposed and those choices.