(April 3, 2014 at 4:03 pm)max-greece Wrote: If the theory is correct then you could never get to "true nothing" as particules and sub-particles would be created faster than you can remove them.

Infinite regress!!

(April 3, 2014 at 4:01 pm)tor Wrote: So alpha what did god create universe from?

I warned you regarding non sequitors. I don't recall everything I've said in the thread. Link to what I said regarding god creating, or you're going on Ignore.

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(April 3, 2014 at 4:03 pm)max-greece Wrote: Well here's part of the fight which is amusing - Krauss Vs the rest.

Sorry, I meant something written.

(April 3, 2014 at 4:07 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(April 3, 2014 at 4:01 pm)tor Wrote: So alpha what did god create universe from?

I warned you regarding non sequitors. I don't recall everything I've said in the thread. Link to what I said regarding god creating, or you're going on Ignore.

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(April 3, 2014 at 4:03 pm)max-greece Wrote: Well here's part of the fight which is amusing - Krauss Vs the rest.

Sorry, I meant something written.

As mentioned before, anyone asking questions you don't want to answer practically is on ignore already. You advance claims without supporting them, then get all cranky and threaten to ignore anyone who calls you out on it.

What difference does it make whether or not someone is on your ignore list if you're just going to keep babbling and ignore valid objections to what you've claimed?

Does it not bother you at all that you're more concerned with reinforcing your own delusions of truth than you are to actual discussions on a discussion forum, and whether or not you place someone on ignore they will continue knocking holes in your claims you'd prefer to remain ignorant of?

Oh crap - written - I'll have to hunt but are you looking for science papers, news-stories or books. There's always "A universe from nothing" from Krauss himself which is a great place to start. That does cover his definitions of nothing but not in great details. Its the furore since that has brought it up. There are some letters I saw somewhere (emails in reality) between Krauss and various other physicists but I can't remember where they were and they were only extracts.

There's a report on one of the debates at http://www.livescience.com/28132-what-is...ebate.html

And an explanation of how difficult it is to get to nothing at http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/...g-the-phi/

Any good?

(April 3, 2014 at 4:29 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: As mentioned before, anyone asking questions you don't want to answer practically is on ignore already.

And as refuted before, I only have one person on ignore (although two may be added soon), and he doesn't even post anymore.

Show some courtesy and respect. Alex, max et. al. have made this a nice philosophical/scientific thread. I haven't been talking about God creating in it. Why must you guys try to make it about me and my beliefs on God? It's rude. I've been politely ignoring you guys informally, but if you keep it up, I'll make it formal. I don't like putting people on ignore, because even the biggest jackass (that would be you) can make a valid point sometimes, but I'll do it if I need to. You guys apparently want to debate with me, but you've got to play nice and control yourselves, or that's not going to happen. If you say another word on this distracting issue, you're going on ignore. It's not fair to me or to the other participants.

(April 3, 2014 at 4:53 pm)alpha male Wrote: Why must you guys try to make it about me and my beliefs on God?

You are a Christian. If you are arguing that god did it then by default you are arguing that the Christian god did it. The Christian god is after all the only god according to your religion.

What's wrong? Can't you defend the position that Yahweh did it?

(April 3, 2014 at 4:58 pm)popeyespappy Wrote:

(April 3, 2014 at 4:53 pm)alpha male Wrote: Why must you guys try to make it about me and my beliefs on God?

You are a Christian. If you are arguing that god did it then by default you are arguing that the Christian god did it. The Christian god is after all the only god according to your religion.

What's wrong? Can't you defend the position that Yahweh did it?

Since alpha saying that nothing cannot exist I wonder how did god create universe from nothing. Or did he not create universe from nothing?
Seems like a very relevant question to the something coming from nothing.

(April 3, 2014 at 4:58 pm)popeyespappy Wrote: You are a Christian. If you are arguing that god did it...

I'm not arguing that. Read the thread, jackass.

Can god create something from nothing or not?

(April 3, 2014 at 3:08 pm)max-greece Wrote: Actually, specifically, the photon did not come from an existing electron. The electron lost nothing in the production of the photon.

The photon is the loss of energy of the electron.