(April 8, 2014 at 9:08 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

(April 8, 2014 at 8:59 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: You are not being successful at all.

If anything, he's making it even less likely that anyone here would convert.

Agreed. But every time someone has pointed this out, he has rebutted with "I'm sorry you feel that way." I was attempting to stay away from that statement sticking to objective statements. At least that is the way it started, then I failed spectacularly at that.

But, no matter. Any time someone has made a statement challenging Rev's motive, he's not answered.

Esquilax made multiple pleas in the other thread that I sincerely wished he would have answered, but it might have made him think...

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But, no matter. Any time someone has made a statement challenging Rev's motive, he's not answered.

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Rev is God?

He'll like that.

(April 8, 2014 at 9:19 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: He'll like that.

He might then refuse to give us evidence he exists.

(April 8, 2014 at 7:50 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:

(April 4, 2014 at 11:00 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Is it possible Rev doesn't understand he's making a presuppositional knowledge claim requiring a lot more steps than <something can't come from nothing> :. <God exists>?

It's a semantic game cosmological argument proponents like to play. Within that "simple" belief:

<God exists>
<Everything has a cause>
<Except God, because:>
<God is my specific religion's god with attributes A-Z>
Including:
<God is eternal>
<God is Omnipotent>
<God is Omniscient>

Is the belief being substituted for "we don't know if the universe was caused or what caused it," and because of cultural awareness of the concept of these beliefs, <God must have done it> seems like a "simple" explanation.

When in fact, it relies on a ton of unstated premises with zero support, that can be backdoored into any ontological argument by a special pleading clause like "begins to exist" without believers batting an eyelash. They already accept <God exists> so to them it's a "common sense" conclusion.

There is a hymn that goes, "This is how I know He lives, He lives within my heart"

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(April 8, 2014 at 9:25 am)Tonus Wrote: So you're here to tell us that it's god that knows everything. If that's the case, see if you can get him address us. That would definitely separate you from all of the other webevangelists.

He has chosen to choose his disciples to get the message out.

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(April 8, 2014 at 12:50 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: One does not combat that which he opposed by ignoring it.

Like I said, if you want to believe in whatever it is that you believe then that's a-ok. I've got nothing against people holding beliefs.

It's when people start touting their beliefs as truth and, moreover, start using an imagined divine authority as a reason for the behaviors (eg "I am honored to be a messenger of the almighty!") that I take a stand, because beliefs like that tend to be dangerous to everyone who doesn't espouse them. They also tend to try and impose on the (non)beliefs of others, especially the young, the poor, and the gullible.

So no, sorry, I won't be ignoring your posts, but outright lambasting them and objecting to them every step of The way.

OK, I hear ya. I understand you don't believe as I do. I am just sharing with you what I believe.

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(April 8, 2014 at 2:36 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Good for you - you think you've found a drug that works for you and gets you through the day without having to be faced with the realities of eking out an insignificantly brief existence on a ball of rock and iron locked in the embrace of a titanic fusion reactor held together by its own gravity, all the while hurtling through permanent night in the arse end of nowhere towards nothing. And maybe it does.

Doesn't entitle you to push that drug onto anyone else, though. Most especially when we've said "no thanks". If there's such a thing as mind-rape, your behaviour would be the first citation in the definition.

Thank you for your feedback. I don't want anyone to take anything by force. Your version of our existence is not comforting to me, but that is just my take.

Thank you for the reply, but none of that actually responded to anything I or the other forumers posted.

(April 8, 2014 at 7:58 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Thank you for sharing your perspective. I too am not religious but have a relationship.

I am so sick of that lie. You may think that if you repeat a lie over and over it becomes the truth -- that is simply false. You have a religion. You have a sacred text, a magic cupcake in the sky, prayer, church, etc. There is a word for that and it is a fucking RELIGION.

Redefining words to mean or not mean whatever you want them to is dishonest.

If you want me to join your cult, you are going to have to do better than that.

Try again.

(April 8, 2014 at 10:08 pm)Godlesspanther Wrote: Redefining words to mean or not mean whatever you want them to is dishonest.

It is, however, a cornerstone of christianity, where "love" means "believe in me or burn," and "forgiveness" involves an extra-material plane full of eternally burning souls who committed the smallest of infractions.

And the deeper you go, the worse it gets. Fundie creationists don't just have to redefine moral terms, but also scientific ones... the whole religion is just about shitting on the very idea of language until eventually the dialogue is so skewed and confusing that god comes out the other end looking sparkling without ever having to earn that.

(April 8, 2014 at 7:58 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Please refrain from vulgarity. I am not Roman Catholic but I don't think it is fair to stereotype all priests the same.

Oh shove it up your ass you prude. If cursing offends you then this is decidedly not the place for you.

(April 8, 2014 at 4:06 pm)Beccs Wrote: I've been a much more fulfilled individual since I left religion.

(April 8, 2014 at 7:58 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Thank you for sharing your perspective. I too am not religious but have a relationship.

I know it's an integral part of religion to propagate a lie until it's accepted as truth but this one is getting old. Text, rituals, supernatural sky-daddy... yup, you got yourself a religion there mate.

(April 8, 2014 at 7:58 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:

(April 8, 2014 at 7:57 pm)whateverist Wrote: And that is precisely where - and the only place where - he lives. 'He' had nothing to do with the creation of the cosmos, only of your psyche. It is a common phenomenon; you are projecting 'out there' the something greater which you sense within. But you won't find 'Him' out there, only inside.

Sir,
That is your perspective, thanks for sharing though.

Why of course it is, just as it is your belief that there are invisible, magical genies. And your welcome. Of course, it wouldn't be necessary to tell you precisely how little I think of your beliefs if you weren't here pawning them off like snake oil. So long as you feel it necessary to condescend to help we poor heathens out, it will probably remain necessary to go on telling you how absurd your beliefs really are. Otherwise, I'm quite happy to live and let live. Your call.

@OP (rev777)

Just what is it you think you have to offer me?

Few of the people I care about in this world subscribe to your particular brand of bullshit, so I have to assume that they won't be in your heaven. 75% of the people I have ever cared about are already dead.

I have no desire for an eternal existence. I have no desire for, or need of salvation.

Your god, as portrayed in your bible, is - in my estimation - not a good example of a moral or righteous power, and furthermore, appears to be evil, and an enormous cock to boot.

I can be an ethical, moral person without faith.

I repeat - what precisely do you think you have to offer?