The human body is a very weak and poorly designed organism in so many ways. It either leads us to believe God didn’t love us or he wanted us to suffer.

… Or does it support the theory of evolution by means of natural selection?

Is anymore evidence truly needed to discredit the former?

When you consider that the human body is the result of millions of years of evolution by natural selection, it is an amazingly complicated machine. If you believe that it was 'designed' by a 'creator', you must also admit that this 'creator' mucked it up dramatically.

I sometimes wonder if humanity hasn't gone beyond evolution at this point. We have taken control of things to such an extent that 'natural selection' doesn't seem like it can have much effect on us anymore. Those genetic anomalies that cause change (over generations) are now countered by modern science. Those born with these anomalies are now able to reproduce, passing those genes on to the next generation when natural selection would have prevented it. Our own knowledge may eventually be the driving force behind our devolution. Good thing it takes so damn long!

(April 23, 2010 at 9:22 am)Paul the Human Wrote: When you consider that the human body is the result of millions of years of evolution by natural selection, it is an amazingly complicated machine. If you believe that it was 'designed' by a 'creator', you must also admit that this 'creator' mucked it up dramatically.

I am always astonished over how efficient it is.

(April 23, 2010 at 9:22 am)Paul the Human Wrote: I sometimes wonder if humanity hasn't gone beyond evolution at this point. We have taken control of things to such an extent that 'natural selection' doesn't seem like it can have much effect on us anymore. Those genetic anomalies that cause change (over generations) are now countered by modern science. Those born with these anomalies are now able to reproduce, passing those genes on to the next generation when natural selection would have prevented it. Our own knowledge may eventually be the driving force behind our devolution. Good thing it takes so damn long!

Humanity hasn’t, as you put it, gone beyond evolution. We are simply aware of evolution and can manipulate it to our benefit, in the same way we managed to go to the moon.

But you’re correct in that disadvantageous genes are being passed on, and those problematic alleles will have an increased frequency in the genome.

In "The Greatest Show on Earth" Richard Dawkins has a whole chapter devoted to the evidence of "un-intelligent design" not only in humans but in other mammals as well. If there is a god he is one shitty engineer!

(April 23, 2010 at 11:58 am)Minimalist Wrote: In "The Greatest Show on Earth" Richard Dawkins has a whole chapter devoted to the evidence of "un-intelligent design" not only in humans but in other mammals as well. If there is a god he is one shitty engineer!

Why would this deity design our bodies so that our windpipe and esophagus share the same tube? This is pretty stupid. This brilliant being couldn't foresee the hazard of choking to death when eating?

So win win... It's not God because it's complex and it's not God because it's imperfect! Go team

(April 23, 2010 at 3:02 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: So win win... It's not God because it's complex and it's not God because it's imperfect! Go team

Well.... isn't "God" supposedly "perfect"? And if that's the case, wouldn't you expect him to design something that doesn't have any flaws?

That would be him making himself

God...as portrayed in the Buy-Bull always seemed like something of a fuck-up.

(April 23, 2010 at 12:12 pm)Thor Wrote: Why would this deity design our bodies so that our windpipe and esophagus share the same tube? This is pretty stupid. This brilliant being couldn't foresee the hazard of choking to death when eating?

Clearly this deity loves sea mammals like blue whales more than us then, since their respiratory and digestive systems are separate from each other. Choking to death is pretty much impossible for them.