(May 6, 2014 at 12:29 am)snowtracks Wrote:

(April 24, 2014 at 12:41 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: So in your view, the different breeds of dogs were bred by humans via what form of selection?

You're obviously not bothering to read the links to articles explaining what the "species" distinction actually means, so here's an explanation:



http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/20...1iWKe29LCQ

the dna and fossil records demonstrate that the non-human bipedal primates that proceeded human beings existed, had no measurable change, then went extinct and were replaced. it's the property of all life to die off but God recreates life to meet the changing conditions of the solar system. now in the case of human beings they are unique in that they were created with a spirit. this gives them abilities in the spiritual, rational, and relational realm which finds manifestation in displays of knowledge, goodness, justice, truthfulness, and like God are moral beings.

Except for the minor detail that you have absolutely no evidence of any of that.

You just make shit up.

Just a minor detail Chas.

A daily occurrence for a theist, though.

(May 6, 2014 at 12:29 am)snowtracks Wrote: it's the property of all life to die off but God recreates life to meet the changing conditions of the solar system. now in the case of human beings they are unique in that they were created with a spirit.

Oh... you're using one of those Bibles.

(May 6, 2014 at 12:29 am)snowtracks Wrote: the dna and fossil records demonstrate that the non-human bipedal primates that proceeded human beings existed, had no measurable change,

What do you mean by "had no measurable change"?

Quote:then went extinct and were replaced.

Replaced! it's not like this seasons fashion, out with black and in with puce.
They either evolved into different forms or they died out because they were no longer viable in the environment.
Replaced indeed.

Quote: it's the property of all life to die off but God recreates life to meet the changing conditions of the solar system. now in the case of human beings they are unique in that they were created with a spirit. this gives them abilities in the spiritual, rational, and relational realm which finds manifestation in displays of knowledge, goodness, justice, truthfulness, and like God are moral beings.

And yet there is no proof that there is such a thing as a spirit at all let alone a god.

(May 6, 2014 at 10:29 am)Chas Wrote:

(May 6, 2014 at 12:29 am)snowtracks Wrote: the dna and fossil records demonstrate that the non-human bipedal primates that proceeded human beings existed, had no measurable change, then went extinct and were replaced. it's the property of all life to die off but God recreates life to meet the changing conditions of the solar system. now in the case of human beings they are unique in that they were created with a spirit. this gives them abilities in the spiritual, rational, and relational realm which finds manifestation in displays of knowledge, goodness, justice, truthfulness, and like God are moral beings.

Except for the minor detail that you have absolutely no evidence of any of that.

You just make shit up.

And yet again ignored the link completely, went on to make ridiculous claims shown false by the link.

(May 6, 2014 at 2:20 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:

(May 6, 2014 at 10:29 am)Chas Wrote: Except for the minor detail that you have absolutely no evidence of any of that.

You just make shit up.

And yet again ignored the link completely, went on to make ridiculous claims shown false by the link.

nagel said consciousness needs to be accounted for. be free to tell us all about it. http://wilmiers777.com/2013/05/23/explai...he-cosmos/

(May 6, 2014 at 10:21 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(May 6, 2014 at 2:20 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: And yet again ignored the link completely, went on to make ridiculous claims shown false by the link.

nagel said consciousness needs to be accounted for. be free to tell us all about it. http://wilmiers777.com/2013/05/23/explai...he-cosmos/

Broken link. Some believe consciousness is merely an emergent property of highly complex systems. The best attempts at creating what passes for artificial intelligences thus far (yo) has been to stuff an algorithm with a bunch of vague plausible responses to any given question, to create the illusion of another conscious mind.

On the other end of the spectrum, we have behavioral psychology, and pop psychology like http://youarenotsosmart.com to remind us some of the property of consciousness, itself, may be illusory.

There are many other animal species at least approaching our definition of rational thought, who previously had been discounted as mere automatons.

The human capacity for what can only be described as "bullshit" is truly astounding. Many other species have been astonishingly successful with the dimmest spark of higher thought, while we as a species gloat in the internet age, where everyone is an expert, everyone's opinion is equally valid regardless of experience or credentials, and seem to take pride in the rejection of lifetimes of expertise.

There is nothing that makes us truly more rational than "lower" lifeforms, than the abject rejection of emotional ties to truth values, and the ability to simply process information and come to cogent conclusions from the available evidence.

We exist, therefore we believe we exist with some higher purpose.

We are able to recognize ourselves in a mirror, and contemplate why that makes us so special, as self-reflecting consciousness within consciousness. And still our best attempt at rational thought is to mirror the thought process of the 350 million year old cockroach. A simple biological machine that collects data and outputs rational extrapolations of said data.

And remain conscious, and have a lot of good justifications as to why our consciousness is special.

(May 6, 2014 at 10:57 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:

(May 6, 2014 at 10:21 pm)snowtracks Wrote: nagel said consciousness needs to be accounted for. be free to tell us all about it. http://wilmiers777.com/2013/05/23/explai...he-cosmos/

Broken link. Some believe consciousness is merely an emergent property of highly complex systems. The best attempts at creating what passes for artificial intelligences thus far (yo) has been to stuff an algorithm with a bunch of vague plausible responses to any given question, to create the illusion of another conscious mind.

On the other end of the spectrum, we have behavioral psychology, and pop psychology like http://youarenotsosmart.com to remind us some of the property of consciousness, itself, may be illusory.

There are many other animal species at least approaching our definition of rational thought, who previously had been discounted as mere automatons.

The human capacity for what can only be described as "bullshit" is truly astounding. Many other species have been astonishingly successful with the dimmest spark of higher thought, while we as a species gloat in the internet age, where everyone is an expert, everyone's opinion is equally valid regardless of experience or credentials, and seem to take pride in the rejection of lifetimes of expertise.

There is nothing that makes us truly more rational than "lower" lifeforms, than the abject rejection of emotional ties to truth values, and the ability to simply process information and come to cogent conclusions from the available evidence.

We exist, therefore we believe we exist with some higher purpose.

We are able to recognize ourselves in a mirror, and contemplate why that makes us so special, as self-reflecting consciousness within consciousness. And still our best attempt at rational thought is to mirror the thought process of the 350 million year old cockroach. A simple biological machine that collects data and outputs rational extrapolations of said data.

And remain conscious, and have a lot of good justifications as to why our consciousness is special.

humans contemplate the future and a component of that is they don't believe in annihilation. why? because something tells them it's not true.

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evolutionist biologist never did take a fancy to the cambrian explosion - Richard Dawkins commented on the apparent contradictions presented by the Cambrian layer: “For example the Cambrian strata of rocks, vintage about 600 million years, are the oldest ones in which we find most of the major invertebrate groups. And we find many of them already in an advanced state of evolution, the very first time they appear". cambrian explosion was a dramatic event period lasting some 5 million years that introduced 50 to 80 percent of the known animal phyla to earth which would be consist with the 5'th day of creation. this event defies an explanation from a evolutionary viewpoint.

http://justatheory.org/Cambrian.html

no human phylogenetic parsimony or bootstrap test has been successful in linking human to lesser primate bipedal hominids.
to be human is more than walking upright. results: 1. The hypothesis was not supported by the parsimony analyses of the two quantitative data sets. 2. The bootstrap analyses similarly failed to uphold the hypothesis.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC18347/