(May 10, 2014 at 12:25 pm)Deepthought Wrote: Why should God care whether we live or die, or want to dictate which hand we should eat with, how many partners we take etc?

Because God made us each individually and cares for us as individuals. I eat with my left hand, but most people eat with their right. I hope that doesn't kill my chances of going to heaven. Why do you keep wanting to make God into something he's not?

(May 10, 2014 at 12:39 pm)Lek Wrote: Why do you keep wanting to make God into something he's not?

For a god that is unknowable, you certainly seem to have special knowledge of him whereas others are wrong in their assessments.

The theistic knowledge of god is nothing more than man projecting his own personality onto that which apparently does not exist.

(May 10, 2014 at 12:43 pm)Kitanetos Wrote:

(May 10, 2014 at 12:39 pm)Lek Wrote: Why do you keep wanting to make God into something he's not?

For a god that is unknowable, you certainly seem to have special knowledge of him whereas others are wrong in their assessments.

The theistic knowledge of god is nothing more than man projecting his own personality onto that which apparently does not exist.

I believe what Jesus believes. That's where I get my beliefs. I guess we each have our own ideas.

(May 10, 2014 at 1:03 pm)Lek Wrote: I believe what Jesus believes.

Jesus made unsubstantiated claims about a god which was never and has never been proven to exist.

(May 10, 2014 at 12:39 pm)Lek Wrote:

(May 10, 2014 at 12:25 pm)Deepthought Wrote: Why should God care whether we live or die, or want to dictate which hand we should eat with, how many partners we take etc?

Because God made us each individually and cares for us as individuals. I eat with my left hand, but most people eat with their right. I hope that doesn't kill my chances of going to heaven. Why do you keep wanting to make God into something he's not?

Okay, that's why god should care. Perhaps now, you can explain why he obviously doesn't, when so many of his custom-made individual creations die in such stupid and terrifying ways, many of them as defenseless infants and children (and earlier).

(May 10, 2014 at 3:50 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:

(May 10, 2014 at 12:39 pm)Lek Wrote: Because God made us each individually and cares for us as individuals. I eat with my left hand, but most people eat with their right. I hope that doesn't kill my chances of going to heaven. Why do you keep wanting to make God into something he's not?

Okay, that's why god should care. Perhaps now, you can explain why he obviously doesn't, when so many of his custom-made individual creations die in such stupid and terrifying ways, many of them as defenseless infants and children (and earlier).

As I said many times already, when man sinned it changed the way of the world and we all suffer the consequences. He showed he cared by allowing us to live eternally in happiness. Suffering must be a necessary part of life on earth because he came and also suffered an agonizing death. People blame God for all the suffering on earth while, at the same time, they themselves cause suffering to come upon helpless infants and others. Unfortunately, suffering is in the world. We have a responsibility to try to alleviate suffering when we can, but it doesn't last forever. We have eternity to look forward to. That's my take on it.

(May 10, 2014 at 4:07 pm)Lek Wrote:

(May 10, 2014 at 3:50 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: Okay, that's why god should care. Perhaps now, you can explain why he obviously doesn't, when so many of his custom-made individual creations die in such stupid and terrifying ways, many of them as defenseless infants and children (and earlier).

As I said many times already, when man sinned it changed the way of the world and we all suffer the consequences. He showed he cared by allowing us to live eternally in happiness. Suffering must be a necessary part of life on earth because he came and also suffered an agonizing death. People blame God for all the suffering on earth while, at the same time, they themselves cause suffering to come upon helpless infants and others. Unfortunately, suffering is in the world. We have a responsibility to try to alleviate suffering when we can, but it doesn't last forever. We have eternity to look forward to. That's my take on it.

Wouldn't it be more caring just to allow us to live eternally in happiness without the suffering? Suffering wasn't "necessary" according to your bible since man was originally created without suffering correct? I don't think we blame God for anything, just like I don't blame Santa Clause for not getting what I want for Christmas.

(May 10, 2014 at 4:07 pm)Lek Wrote: As I said many times already, when man sinned it changed the way of the world and we all suffer the consequences. He showed he cared by allowing us to live eternally in happiness. Suffering must be a necessary part of life on earth because he came and also suffered an agonizing death. People blame God for all the suffering on earth while, at the same time, they themselves cause suffering to come upon helpless infants and others. Unfortunately, suffering is in the world. We have a responsibility to try to alleviate suffering when we can, but it doesn't last forever. We have eternity to look forward to. That's my take on it.

One of the most obvious signs that you are in an abusive relationship is when you constantly blame the victim for the abuse and craft excuses and justifications for the abuser.

(May 10, 2014 at 4:23 pm)coldwx Wrote: Wouldn't it be more caring just to allow us to live eternally in happiness without the suffering? Suffering wasn't "necessary" according to your bible since man was originally created without suffering correct? I don't think we blame God for anything, just like I don't blame Santa Clause for not getting what I want for Christmas.

I get it. You don't blame God for anything because you don't believe he exists, but everybody has their idea of how he should act if he did. Most atheists seem to think that as long as there is suffering in the world that there could not be a loving God. I don't believe that because there is suffering here that God is not loving and I'm not trying to second guess him. Some things need to be as they are for reasons we don't know.

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(May 10, 2014 at 4:33 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: One of the most obvious signs that you are in an abusive relationship is when you constantly blame the victim for the abuse and craft excuses and justifications for the abuser.

So you're saying that people are not the cause of any suffering in the world if, indeed, there is a God? And if there is a God, we have no responsibility to help others?

(May 10, 2014 at 12:39 pm)Lek Wrote: Because God made us each individually and cares for us as individuals.

Yet you believe that he provided us with a user guide that is so poorly-written that after thousands of years people are more divided than ever as to how to interpret it, but they all seem to agree that if you don't do as god commands, he will punish you for all of eternity. That simply doesn't jibe with the idea of someone who cares about us as individuals. You wouldn't ever even think of treating another person the way god threatens to treat humanity, yet you consider him to be the hallmark of loving kindness. It really is bizarre.