Walking on water is impossible also, just saying.

(May 7, 2014 at 1:15 am)snowtracks Wrote: no human phylogenetic parsimony or bootstrap test has been successful in linking human to lesser primate bipedal hominids.
to be human is more than walking upright. results: 1. The hypothesis was not supported by the parsimony analyses of the two quantitative data sets. 2. The bootstrap analyses similarly failed to uphold the hypothesis.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC18347/

So?

(May 6, 2014 at 11:53 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(May 6, 2014 at 10:57 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Broken link. Some believe consciousness is merely an emergent property of highly complex systems. The best attempts at creating what passes for artificial intelligences thus far (yo) has been to stuff an algorithm with a bunch of vague plausible responses to any given question, to create the illusion of another conscious mind.

On the other end of the spectrum, we have behavioral psychology, and pop psychology like http://youarenotsosmart.com to remind us some of the property of consciousness, itself, may be illusory.

There are many other animal species at least approaching our definition of rational thought, who previously had been discounted as mere automatons.

The human capacity for what can only be described as "bullshit" is truly astounding. Many other species have been astonishingly successful with the dimmest spark of higher thought, while we as a species gloat in the internet age, where everyone is an expert, everyone's opinion is equally valid regardless of experience or credentials, and seem to take pride in the rejection of lifetimes of expertise.

There is nothing that makes us truly more rational than "lower" lifeforms, than the abject rejection of emotional ties to truth values, and the ability to simply process information and come to cogent conclusions from the available evidence.

We exist, therefore we believe we exist with some higher purpose.

We are able to recognize ourselves in a mirror, and contemplate why that makes us so special, as self-reflecting consciousness within consciousness. And still our best attempt at rational thought is to mirror the thought process of the 350 million year old cockroach. A simple biological machine that collects data and outputs rational extrapolations of said data.

And remain conscious, and have a lot of good justifications as to why our consciousness is special.

humans contemplate the future and a component of that is they don't believe in annihilation. why? because something tells them it's not true.

What a wild non-sequitur. Point was humans are predisposed by consciousness to believe there's something inherently special about it, project it onto other natural processes, and like to believe "their heart will go on and on" because of this bias. Brain dies, brain activity stops, you die.

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(May 6, 2014 at 11:53 pm)snowtracks Wrote: evolutionist biologist never did take a fancy to the cambrian explosion - Richard Dawkins commented on the apparent contradictions presented by the Cambrian layer: “For example the Cambrian strata of rocks, vintage about 600 million years, are the oldest ones in which we find most of the major invertebrate groups. And we find many of them already in an advanced state of evolution, the very first time they appear". cambrian explosion was a dramatic event period lasting some 5 million years that introduced 50 to 80 percent of the known animal phyla to earth which would be consist with the 5'th day of creation. this event defies an explanation from a evolutionary viewpoint.

http://justatheory.org/Cambrian.html

You stupid? Stop plagiarizing Harun Yaha: http://m.harunyahya.com/tr/works/2013/Th...-evolution

Quote mining just make you look like an uneducated douche, and a liar. The rest of that quote:

Quote:Evolutionists of all stripes believe, however, that this really does represent a very large gap in the fossil record, a gap that is simply due to the fact that, for some reason, very few fossils have lasted from periods before about 600 million years ago. One good reason might be that many of these animals had only soft parts to their bodies: no shells or bones to fossilize.

Biologists have some good ideas for why it occurred:

http://ncse.com/blog/2013/10/what-caused...on-0015114

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_explosion

http://m.sciencemag.org/content/341/6152/1355

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/ev...rian.shtml

http://www.ox.ac.uk/media/news_stories/2013/130920.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/librar...34_02.html

The more you desperately mine for quotes out of context, copy-paste garbage without bothering to look at the sources of the quotes, the more evident it is you haven't bothered to actually research a single thing, can't understand what you're arguing against, and have absolutely no idea what you're taking about.

(May 6, 2014 at 11:53 pm)snowtracks Wrote: humans contemplate the future and a component of that is they don't believe in annihilation. why? because something tells them it's not true.

Which is why some of them wrote a book that constantly talks about people and cities and eventually entire societies being annihilated... and called it the Bible.

(May 8, 2014 at 12:33 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(May 7, 2014 at 1:15 am)snowtracks Wrote: no human phylogenetic parsimony or bootstrap test has been successful in linking human to lesser primate bipedal hominids.
to be human is more than walking upright. results: 1. The hypothesis was not supported by the parsimony analyses of the two quantitative data sets. 2. The bootstrap analyses similarly failed to uphold the hypothesis.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC18347/

So?

mankind is a standalone creation. the Neanderthals were a non-human bipedal primate.

(May 8, 2014 at 11:52 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(May 8, 2014 at 12:33 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: So?

mankind is a standalone creation. the Neanderthals were a non-human bipedal primate.

Considering many of us have neanderthal DNA it means we were closely related enough to them to breed with them in the past. The same cannot be said for modern apes, some of which we share 90% + DNA with.

This seems to indicate that they were a human subspecies

(May 8, 2014 at 11:52 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(May 8, 2014 at 12:33 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: So?

mankind is a standalone creation. the Neanderthals were a non-human bipedal primate.

So if Neanderthal DNA was found in modern humans as a byproduct of interbreeding, what would your response be?

Or do you accept that to interbreed these two members of Genus Homo were most likely a sub species (neanderthal to modern human)?

Or what Beccs just said....

(May 8, 2014 at 11:52 pm)snowtracks Wrote: mankind is a standalone creation. the Neanderthals were a non-human bipedal primate.

This reminds me of that scene in A Few Good Men, only with the dialogue slightly reversed: "It doesn't matter what I can prove, it only matters what I believe!!!"

(May 8, 2014 at 11:52 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(May 8, 2014 at 12:33 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: So?

mankind is a standalone creation. the Neanderthals were a non-human bipedal primate.

Sorry - but the Catholic church and the Sects of Xtianity that represent over 75% of the christians in the world --have already accepted Evolution as the method that led to man. The churches recognize that DNA studies have proven this to be fact. The religion has already lost face when it supported the earth centrist universe - and certainly could not survive another miscue of that today - in the age of information.

You can say what you want - but until YOU provide the actual scientific studies that support your statement - that have been published in a peer reviewed scientific journal - we have NO reason to accept ANYTHING you say - for your statement is unsupported - where evolution has millions of supporting documents.

(May 9, 2014 at 8:07 pm)ThomM Wrote:

(May 8, 2014 at 11:52 pm)snowtracks Wrote: mankind is a standalone creation. the Neanderthals were a non-human bipedal primate.

Sorry - but the Catholic church and the Sects of Xtianity that represent over 75% of the christians in the world --have already accepted Evolution as the method that led to man. The churches recognize that DNA studies have proven this to be fact. The religion has already lost face when it supported the earth centrist universe - and certainly could not survive another miscue of that today - in the age of information.

You can say what you want - but until YOU provide the actual scientific studies that support your statement - that have been published in a peer reviewed scientific journal - we have NO reason to accept ANYTHING you say - for your statement is unsupported - where evolution has millions of supporting documents.

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(May 13, 2014 at 8:28 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(May 9, 2014 at 8:07 pm)ThomM Wrote:

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Sorry - but the Catholic church and the Sects of Xtianity that represent over 75% of the christians in the world --have already accepted Evolution as the method that led to man. The churches recognize that DNA studies have proven this to be fact. The religion has already lost face when it supported the earth centrist universe - and certainly could not survive another miscue of that today - in the age of information.

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You can say what you want - but until YOU provide the actual scientific studies that support your statement - that have been published in a peer reviewed scientific journal - we have NO reason to accept ANYTHING you say - for your statement is unsupported - where evolution has millions of supporting documents.

the late heavy bombardment was between 4.1 to 3.8 Ga. and life was teaming at 3.85 Ga. which means life arose instantaneously.
http://abstractsearch.agu.org/meetings/2...4A-07.html