(May 22, 2014 at 5:53 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(May 22, 2014 at 5:35 pm)Losty Wrote: I don't think it's okay or fair to judge individual women on how many abortions they may have had, but I don't see any problem with wanting to discuss ways that we as a society could reduce over all abortion.

I think it is important to identify these women who have many abortions, particularly those few who seem to treat it as a form of birth control, so it can be identified why they do it and, hopefully, provide them with assistance/education on ways to avoid it.

You're right. Repudiate was a poor word choice.

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Quote:I think it is important to identify these women who have many abortions, particularly those few who seem to treat it as a form of birth control, so it can be identified why they do it and, hopefully, provide them with assistance/education on ways to avoid it.

Why? It's still better than forcing them to give birth to a kid they don't want.

(May 22, 2014 at 6:10 pm)Losty Wrote: Look at us we are all agreeing and smiling and wonderful. Quick mods close thread

Nah, it achieves some important goals.

1. It gets us talking about the subject and bringing information to people who might not be aware of it.
2. It continues to demonstrate what an absolute prick a certain member is.

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(May 22, 2014 at 6:12 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:I think it is important to identify these women who have many abortions, particularly those few who seem to treat it as a form of birth control, so it can be identified why they do it and, hopefully, provide them with assistance/education on ways to avoid it.

Why? It's still better than forcing them to give birth to a kid they don't want.

I'm not saying don't provide them with abortion services. I'm simply saying we should find ways that may prevent them requiring one.

Some of the problems that have been identified that would help many women is comprehensive sex education, and easy access to contraception.

(May 22, 2014 at 6:12 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:I think it is important to identify these women who have many abortions, particularly those few who seem to treat it as a form of birth control, so it can be identified why they do it and, hopefully, provide them with assistance/education on ways to avoid it.

Why? It's still better than forcing them to give birth to a kid they don't want.

Damn it. Ruiner. :p

I don't know if it's super important, but it certainly wouldn't hurt to identify women who are having lots of abortions and try to help them. I still think if we followed my easy steps we would lower abortion rates so significantly that this wouldn't be a big concern.

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(May 22, 2014 at 6:12 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(May 22, 2014 at 6:10 pm)Losty Wrote: Look at us we are all agreeing and smiling and wonderful. Quick mods close thread

Nah, it achieves some important goals.

1. It gets us talking about the subject and bringing information to people who might not be aware of it.
2. It continues to demonstrate what an absolute prick a certain member is.

I was just teasing and I think you really meant a couple of certain members :p

(May 22, 2014 at 6:16 pm)Losty Wrote:

(May 22, 2014 at 6:12 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Why? It's still better than forcing them to give birth to a kid they don't want.

Damn it. Ruiner. :p

I don't know if it's super important, but it certainly wouldn't hurt to identify women who are having lots of abortions and try to help them. I still think if we followed my easy steps we would lower abortion rates so significantly that this wouldn't be a big concern.

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(May 22, 2014 at 6:12 pm)Beccs Wrote: Nah, it achieves some important goals.

1. It gets us talking about the subject and bringing information to people who might not be aware of it.
2. It continues to demonstrate what an absolute prick a certain member is.

I was just teasing and I think you really meant a couple of certain members :p

I'll give one the benefit of the doubt for the moment, simply because he appears to be uninformed. The other has shown himself to be a condescending prink with no knowledge of the discussion but an overwhelming arrogance to claim he does and that he's right about everything.

Quote:I'm not saying don't provide them with abortion services. I'm simply saying we should find ways that may prevent them requiring one.

Some of the problems that have been identified that would help many women is comprehensive sex education, easy access to contraception, and less men-boys.

Amiright?

P.S. I'm not the prick, am I Becc?

(May 22, 2014 at 6:27 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:

(May 22, 2014 at 6:10 pm)Losty Wrote: I'm not saying don't provide them with abortion services. I'm simply saying we should find ways that may prevent them requiring one.

Some of the problems that have been identified that would help many women is comprehensive sex education, easy access to contraception, and less men-boys.

Amiright?

Well, we have the feminist agenda that will soon make males redundant.

So one of those problems will be solved . . . as soon as we stop producing dresses that zip up in the back and create a device that is 100% effective at removing stuck jar lids.

Once we have those, you're gone!




No, the prick I'm referring to is someone else.

Quote:I don't know if it's super important, but it certainly wouldn't hurt to identify women who are having lots of abortions and try to help them.

Sweetie, it's the ones who keep shitting out a kid every 9 months who need help.....

I propose the following thought experiment for those here who lean pro-life to consider as a rough analogy to the abortion debate, that I think closely enough parallels the problems with what pro-lifers tend to argue:


John and Jane get into their respective cars and head out to do whatever business they need to attend to. The wear their seatbelts, use their signal blinkers properly and are overall good, responsible drivers. At some point, both John and Jane are near each other on the highway, and each make to signal that they want to move into the lane in the middle of them. However, coincidentally neither spots the other in time and they end up crashing into each other. Both are injured badly; let's say they're both paralyzed from the waiste down. But fear not, in the world of this thought experiment there is a simple injection that would remedy such a condition completely in mere days. However, the legislature of John and Jane's nation have made the injection illegal to administer. Their reasoning is that both John and Jane knew the risks of driving - especially on the highway - and that by driving they clearly accept the risk involved. Hence, even though neither John nor Jane are really at fault for what happened, they cannot be allowed off easy and must take personal responsibility for their choices. After all, they don't want a society where people are free of the consequences of their choices willy-nilly.

Now, that thought experiment is clearly absurd. But even if either John or Jane WERE personally at fault for their paralysis, it still would NOT be a reasonable expectation that they should remain paralyzed for the duration of their lives. And yet this is exactly what you expect from those who seek an abortion: that they be forced to accept responsibility for their entire lives for having sex. Worse, most of the time people get abortions late term, it's because their are ridiculous laws or state practices specifically designed to make women unable to get an abortion within a reasonable amount of time. Most women aren't likely to go through the pains of a pregnancy they don't want if they can help it.


And to whoever said earlier that men should have no say in this issue, I think you're off your rocker on that one. :o This is after all really a societal issue, not one that only pertains to individuals. I think if it sort of like self-defense. There are reasonable limits within which one can say they're acting in self-defense. Outside that (and even inside it, really), the law still has to take this into consideration.