Lol, I said "Pascal's razor" instead of "Pascal's wager".

(May 29, 2014 at 8:35 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I've heard there's a verse in the bible that says if you are luke warm in your faith, god with spit you out. So trying to convince people to join just in case christians are right, won't help at all. It's more like a tactic of just getting you to sit in the church and hope that eventually you'll sync in with the group.

Revelation 3:16
International Standard Version
Since you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I am going to spit you out of my mouth.

(May 29, 2014 at 5:39 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: If I'm right I give up vice and crime and perversions but gain an eternity .
its a no brainer ,except for those with no brains

I've gotta say, the implications here really piss me off. You are an asshole. You imply that atheists are immoral and yet will not treat any discussion you're involved in with the least bit of intellectual honesty.

Time to man up, fuckwad. You've been spewing baseless assertions all over the forums. Time to present some fucking evidence to back them up or fuck off.

Seriously, your shit is getting really fucking old!

(May 29, 2014 at 9:36 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote:

(May 29, 2014 at 5:39 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: If I'm right I give up vice and crime and perversions but gain an eternity .
its a no brainer ,except for those with no brains

I've gotta say, the implications here really piss me off. You are an asshole. You imply that atheists are immoral and yet will not treat any discussion you're involved in with the least bit of intellectual honesty.

Time to man up, fuckwad. You've been spewing baseless assertions all over the forums. Time to present some fucking evidence to back them up or fuck off.

Seriously, your shit is getting really fucking old!

Question is, has he given up vice and crime and his perversions, yet?

It seems not since I've detected many lies.

http://youtu.be/-j8ZMMuu7MU

The idea of eternity is hell whether good or bad.

(May 29, 2014 at 6:52 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:

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(May 29, 2014 at 6:51 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: you should know better than me.

Not really. I'd have to believe you to spend half a second worrying about it. Looks like you're not only a liar, but also a failure.

By the way:


Have you come up with a way of explaining this, so your repeated claims aren't obvious lies? Or are you going to run away like a coward again?

Proverbs 28:1 ESV The wicked flee when no one pursues, but the righteous are bold as a lion.

Revelation 21:8 ESV But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.

Sucks for you. That's 4 now.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy4EfF253G8

Great video, thanks for sharing.

(May 29, 2014 at 5:39 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: If ,you're wrong ,all you gain is some guilty pleasures and lose an eternity.

If I'm right I give up vice and crime and perversions but gain an eternity .
its a no brainer ,except for those with no brains

People who use Pascal's Wager seem to assume a couple of things:

1- that there are two paths and each leads to a specific outcome.
2- that they aren't gambling because they happen to have found "the true truth," so to speak.

But the problem is that there are dozens of different religions, if not hundreds. And if we only count the Abrahamic religions, there are tens of thousands of denominations, with differences that range from so minor as to not matter, to so major that the denominations in question may have spent centuries murdering one another over them. And the various approaches leave us with many different possibilities:

- Some religious people believe that it is sufficient to "live a good life" and that god will reward us regardless of anything else. So it's entirely possible that when you are entering into heaven, you will find yourself shoulder-to-shoulder with that 'brainless' atheist who spent his time on Earth enjoying some of the simple pleasures that you denied yourself. Which means you'll spend at least one Earth lifetime feeling gypped, before you finally decide that meh... you're in heaven forever anyway.

- Some religious people believe that the most important thing in life is your confession and acceptance of Christ, and that even a monstrous human being who converts on his deathbed will be admitted to heaven. So it's also possible that when you are entering heaven, you are greeted by that miserable boss who overworked you, underpaid you, harassed his secretary until she quit and became destitute, cheated on his taxes and used the gains to buy drugs and hookers and spent decades neglecting his saintly wife and children. And you spend eternity trying to avoid him because you just can't stand that smug grin on his face any time he sees you.

- Other religious people believe that unless you follow a very strict interpretation of their holy book you are hell-bound regardless of how good a person you were; their god minds the details and is extremely unforgiving. So it's even possible that you wind up in hell, squirming in delirious pain next to that atheist bastard who openly rejected god, and your only thought for the next trillion years is that at least THAT asshole got to masturbate and smoke pot occasionally and the only thing you have to show for your time on Earth is a heck of a lot of cold showers and lonely evenings.

But no, you don't believe that you're just spinning that roulette wheel with an extra chip on the table. You're convinced that you know where that little ball is going to land, and all of those other dopes have it all wrong. And they feel the same way about you, and they can do about as good a job of proving it as you can.

So you'd better be right, or the only difference between that brainless atheist and you is going to be that he got to have some fun before you both went to the afterlife. Bet you'll wish you'd spent a bit more time on those guilty pleasures then.

(May 29, 2014 at 5:39 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: I'm not someone prone to taking unusual risks ;but for me, deciding to believe and accept theistic teachings, which may have beneficial eternal consequences for the acceptee; or to deny these teachings ,which may only offer some vain ,arbitrary and short lived pleasures ,but could lead to an eternity of pain,and misery, is an easy decision to make.

... Which is why you're a member of every religion, including an infinite number of mutually exclusive, tiny variants, plus every possible belief system that there could ever be, even ones that don't exist as things people believe, so you don't risk any eternal hell at all, right?

I mean, that is something you do, yeah? If you don't, you've rather tipped your hand regarding the idiotic presuppositions you've made before you even begun your argument, and those invalidate the premise you started with, so...

Hey, either you're constantly vibrating under the weight of all the actions you have to perform and not perform at the same time in order to safeguard yourself against every conceivable hell, or you're just fucking wrong, and kind of an asshole for framing your Wager like this!

Quote:I'm not a gambler ,but the cost benefit ratio is on the side of the believer
who risks nothing but gives up disease ,alcoholism, crime and early death
and could pssibly gain eternal life in a state of bliss.

Okay, this is interesting: so if I go to a hospital I'll find no christians there as patients? I mean, they've given up disease, so I guess that means they never get sick, right? Or do they get sick, in which case, what the hell does it mean to "give up" disease?

Ever gotten a cold, Artur?

Quote:If ,you're wrong ,all you gain is some guilty pleasures and lose an eternity.

Except if god is one of the infinite variety of gods that could potentially reward me for any number of things that I do in life, and not the insipid god you believe in, which is something you haven't even attempted to demonstrate.

If I'm wrong and the god that exists is the god that rewards only people who sometimes wear red hoodies, I'm safe right now! Will you be saved during the red-hoodie end times, Artur? Or will you remain mired in the perversions and crime inherent to those who wear other colors?

Quote:If I'm right I give up vice and crime and perversions but gain an eternity .
its a no brainer ,except for those with no brains

I'll ignore the "if you don't agree with me, you're dumb!" because that just shows you're a fucking asshole, but I will say: hello, I'm an atheist. I've never gotten so much as a parking ticket, I don't drink or do drugs, and I'm in a committed relationship with a member of the opposite sex who also frequents this forum.

What were you saying about atheists and crime, and other bullshit? You gonna admit you're wrong and apologize?

(May 29, 2014 at 5:39 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: And if you are wrong , eternity is a long time

Eternity is only meant for humanity in the form of procreation, to ensure the continuation of the species here on Earth. Man tends to have an unhealthy obsession with the end of life whereby he proscribes to himself an eternal afterlife from fear of ceasing to exist entirely. Since we remember nothing from before we were born, it is reasonable to comprehend that there is nothing wrong with the acceptance of there being nothing after life. Only from the fear of nothingness derives the illogical concept of an eternity, but that fear can be easily eradicated with acceptance of a full life on this Earth for it is the only guaranteed one we are granted.