(May 29, 2014 at 5:39 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: I'm not a gambler ,but the cost benefit ratio is on the side of the believer
who risks nothing but gives up disease ,alcoholism, crime and early death
and could pssibly gain eternal life in a state of bliss.

I never realised Christians didn't get ill, commit crimes or become alcoholics.

(May 30, 2014 at 12:42 pm)FreeTony Wrote:

(May 29, 2014 at 5:39 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: I'm not a gambler ,but the cost benefit ratio is on the side of the believer
who risks nothing but gives up disease ,alcoholism, crime and early death
and could pssibly gain eternal life in a state of bliss.

I never realised Christians didn't get ill, commit crimes or become alcoholics.

See, they don't. If they do, they're "not true Christians."

(May 30, 2014 at 11:21 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:

An interesting thing about this table is that the variable of what you believe is almost inconsequential with respect to what is true.

What is true has a much greater impact on your fate than simply what you choose to believe.

Except inasmuch what you choose to believe might cause you to act in ways hazardous to your health.

(May 30, 2014 at 10:11 am)RobbyPants Wrote: Can you prove there isn't a god named Steve that punishes blind faith and rewards rational thinking?

Hi there!

(May 30, 2014 at 12:56 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:

(May 30, 2014 at 12:42 pm)FreeTony Wrote: I never realised Christians didn't get ill, commit crimes or become alcoholics.

See, they don't. If they do, they're "not true Christians."

That would mean a rock is a better Christian than 99.9% of the ones out there. Food for thought.

(Actually rocks are rubbish Christians as they don't donate any money to the preacher)

(May 29, 2014 at 9:20 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:

(May 29, 2014 at 8:35 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I've heard there's a verse in the bible that says if you are luke warm in your faith, god with spit you out. So trying to convince people to join just in case christians are right, won't help at all. It's more like a tactic of just getting you to sit in the church and hope that eventually you'll sync in with the group.

Revelation 3:16
International Standard Version
Since you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I am going to spit you out of my mouth.

Spitters are quitters!

(May 30, 2014 at 3:51 pm)FreeTony Wrote:

(May 30, 2014 at 12:56 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: See, they don't. If they do, they're "not true Christians."

That would mean a rock is a better Christian than 99.9% of the ones out there. Food for thought.

(Actually rocks are rubbish Christians as they don't donate any money to the preacher)

Hence "cast the first stone".

(May 29, 2014 at 6:11 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: but what are you risking?

An eternity is a long time.

You're making what I call 'the argument from big consequences'. I don't know if it's a formal fallacy, but maybe it should be.

1. If you donate 10 dollars to this site, it will be easier for Tiberius to keep it going.

2. If you donate 10 dollars to this site, you will come into a million dollars within one week.

Do you find '2.' more persuasive? No? What if it was ten million? Can you really take the chance of not getting 10 million dollars when all it costs you is a moment of your time and 10 bucks? What if I say 10 billion dollars, are you more likely to donate then?

---

(May 29, 2014 at 6:39 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote:

(May 29, 2014 at 6:36 pm)KUSA Wrote: Can I pick any God to avoid a shitty afterlife?

would you just pick any female to marry ?

I know what you're saying..

Tell me who you picked .

Clearly, if you buy into this calculus in the first place, one picks the deity that offers the direst consequences for not believing in it, the biggest reward for believing in it, and is most likely to be satisfied with lip service. The God of Islam is clearly the version of God anyone who thinks Pascal's Wager carries wait should choose. Horrible hell, heaven as good as anyone's, and even bad Muslims get into heaven eventually.