Posts: 9176
Threads: 76
Joined: November 21, 2013
Reputation:
40
RE: And if you are wrong , eternity is a long time.
May 30, 2014 at 8:31 pm
I like Darkmatter 2525. Too bad he doesn't update daily, or close to it.
Posts: 6610
Threads: 73
Joined: May 31, 2014
Reputation:
56
RE: And if you are wrong , eternity is a long time.
May 31, 2014 at 12:44 pm
(May 29, 2014 at 6:11 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: but what are you risking?
An eternity is a long time.
I don't know what the risks are. And I don't have access to any evidence showing that I should consider those risks. Furthermore, what God and what eternity are we speaking of here? Allah? Eternity in Janneh or Jouhannam?
Provide evidence and then we can discuss the risks. Otherwise, there's no point in living life as if God exists.
Posts: 155
Threads: 11
Joined: May 24, 2014
Reputation:
0
RE: And if you are wrong , eternity is a long time.
May 31, 2014 at 3:30 pm
(May 31, 2014 at 12:44 pm)Irrational Wrote: (May 29, 2014 at 6:11 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: but what are you risking?
An eternity is a long time.
I don't know what the risks are. And I don't have access to any evidence showing that I should consider those risks. Furthermore, what God and what eternity are we speaking of here? Allah? Eternity in Janneh or Jouhannam?
Provide evidence and then we can discuss the risks. Otherwise, there's no point in living life as if God exists.
O.K . so let's just say , You are right and I'm wrong ..
What have you really GAINED?
But you are putting yourself at a greater risk,because If I'm right and you are in fact WRONG!
Then you have an endless eternity in pain and misery to deal with.
its the risk/reward ratio you have to deal with.
In fact many atheists do exactly that. and that's why we have so many deathbed confessions. and conversions. its called covering your bases and your arses.
Posts: 3022
Threads: 34
Joined: May 11, 2013
Reputation:
30
RE: And if you are wrong , eternity is a long time.
May 31, 2014 at 3:37 pm
(May 31, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: O.K . so let's just say , You are right and I'm wrong ..
What have you really GAINED?
The truth of something is irrelevant to gains or losses. It just is...
(May 31, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: But you are putting yourself at a greater risk,because If I'm right and you are in fact WRONG!
Then you have an endless eternity in pain and misery to deal with.
its the risk/reward ratio you have to deal with.
And what if you are wrong. Have you ever considered all the other hells of all the other religions out there? Of course not, typical Christian arrogance.
(May 31, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: In fact many atheists do exactly that. and that's why we have so many deathbed confessions. and conversions. its called covering your bases and your arses.
I would love to see some statistics on that, unless you are pulling that out of your ass?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
Posts: 6610
Threads: 73
Joined: May 31, 2014
Reputation:
56
RE: And if you are wrong , eternity is a long time.
May 31, 2014 at 3:45 pm
(This post was last modified: May 31, 2014 at 3:48 pm by GrandizerII.)
(May 31, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: (May 31, 2014 at 12:44 pm)Irrational Wrote: I don't know what the risks are. And I don't have access to any evidence showing that I should consider those risks. Furthermore, what God and what eternity are we speaking of here? Allah? Eternity in Janneh or Jouhannam?
Provide evidence and then we can discuss the risks. Otherwise, there's no point in living life as if God exists.
O.K . so let's just say , You are right and I'm wrong ..
What have you really GAINED?
But you are putting yourself at a greater risk,because If I'm right and you are in fact WRONG!
Then you have an endless eternity in pain and misery to deal with.
its the risk/reward ratio you have to deal with.
In fact many atheists do exactly that. and that's why we have so many deathbed confessions. and conversions. its called covering your bases and your arses.
I gain a lot by sticking to what the evidence alone tells me as I don't have to restrict how I live according to ideas for which there is no evidence anyway.
I see no reason to live my life going regularly to church and singing praises to Jesus for the same reason I see no reason going to the mosque to pray to Allah. Nor do I see a reason to avoid certain foods/practices/activities purely for religious purposes. The evidence is lacking. So why should I restrict my life for something that's far from probable and knowing that it doesn't even necessarily have to be the God you claim to follow(I see you did not address this part of my argument)?
You speak of odds. Well, great. The odds are extremely low that heaven or hell exist anyway. And I'm actually being generous by not arguing that it's impossible for heaven or hell to exist.
Posts: 7085
Threads: 69
Joined: September 11, 2012
Reputation:
84
RE: And if you are wrong , eternity is a long time.
May 31, 2014 at 3:50 pm
(May 29, 2014 at 7:00 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: (May 29, 2014 at 6:43 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Hellloooooooo???? Have you read about Pascal's Wager yet, Artur?
I'm just gonna keep replying to myself here until Artur acknowledges whether he's read up on Pascal or not.
Artur! I see you're back! Have you read about Pascal's Wager yet?
Posts: 1946
Threads: 17
Joined: February 6, 2014
Reputation:
18
And if you are wrong , eternity is a long time.
May 31, 2014 at 3:52 pm
(May 31, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: (May 31, 2014 at 12:44 pm)Irrational Wrote: I don't know what the risks are. And I don't have access to any evidence showing that I should consider those risks. Furthermore, what God and what eternity are we speaking of here? Allah? Eternity in Janneh or Jouhannam?
Provide evidence and then we can discuss the risks. Otherwise, there's no point in living life as if God exists.
O.K . so let's just say , You are right and I'm wrong ..
What have you really GAINED?
But you are putting yourself at a greater risk,because If I'm right and you are in fact WRONG!
Then you have an endless eternity in pain and misery to deal with.
its the risk/reward ratio you have to deal with.
In fact many atheists do exactly that. and that's why we have so many deathbed confessions. and conversions. its called covering your bases and your arses.
Gains: Not having to deal with people like you every Sunday for a lifetime.
Losses: Fear of imaginary consequences, and of fear-driven ethics like you cowards who are only moral for fear daddy will beat them.
Posts: 155
Threads: 11
Joined: May 24, 2014
Reputation:
0
RE: And if you are wrong , eternity is a long time.
May 31, 2014 at 3:56 pm
(May 31, 2014 at 3:45 pm)Irrational Wrote: (May 31, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: O.K . so let's just say , You are right and I'm wrong ..
What have you really GAINED?
But you are putting yourself at a greater risk,because If I'm right and you are in fact WRONG!
Then you have an endless eternity in pain and misery to deal with.
its the risk/reward ratio you have to deal with.
In fact many atheists do exactly that. and that's why we have so many deathbed confessions. and conversions. its called covering your bases and your arses.
I gain a lot by sticking to what the evidence alone tells me as I don't have to restrict how I live according to ideas for which there is no evidence anyway.
I see no reason to live my life going regularly to church and singing praises to Jesus for the same reason I see no reason going to the mosque to pray to Allah. Nor do I see a reason to avoid certain foods/practices/activities purely for religious purposes. The evidence is lacking. So why should I restrict my life for something that's far from probable and knowing that it doesn't even necessarily have to be the God you claim to follow(I see you did not address this part of my argument)?
You speak of odds. Well, great. The odds are extremely low that heaven or hell exist anyway. And I'm actually being generous by not arguing that it's impossible for heaven or hell to exist.
but you don't explain: what exactly are you restricting yourself of ..
What are you being asked to give up?
Nothing!!
Most atheists are not really atheists but are looking for something to justify something society looks at as abnormal.
Atheism provides that psychic cover .. at some point when the abnormality eases or goes away entirely then they start becoming more intellectually active and this is where we hear of deathbed conversions.
Posts: 29850
Threads: 116
Joined: February 22, 2011
Reputation:
159
RE: And if you are wrong , eternity is a long time.
May 31, 2014 at 3:57 pm
(This post was last modified: May 31, 2014 at 4:05 pm by Angrboda.)
(May 31, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: O.K . so let's just say , You are right and I'm wrong .. Okay. Many Hindus like me believe that being Christian or Muslim "just in case" will condemn you to an eternity of suffering being reborn in Samsara and never becoming enlightened.
(May 31, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: What have you really GAINED? I come one step closer to release from ignorance.
(May 31, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: But you are putting yourself at a greater risk,because If I'm right and you are in fact WRONG!
Then you have an endless eternity in pain and misery to deal with. You face an eternity of suffering for being wrong and not being a Hindu, so, no difference there.
(May 31, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: its the risk/reward ratio you have to deal with. Which you've monumentally erred in calculating. Turns out, you have as much reason to become a Hindu.
Are you going to become a Hindu... in case you're wrong?
Posts: 25314
Threads: 239
Joined: August 26, 2010
Reputation:
156
RE: And if you are wrong , eternity is a long time.
May 31, 2014 at 3:59 pm
(May 31, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: But you are putting yourself at a greater risk,because If I'm right and you are in fact WRONG!
Then you have an endless eternity in pain and misery to deal with.
its the risk/reward ratio you have to deal with.
Why should I, as an atheist, face the prospect of eternal pain and misery purely for not having believed?
(May 31, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: In fact many atheists do exactly that. and that's why we have so many deathbed confessions. and conversions. its called covering your bases and your arses.
I call bullshit. Actually, I call nullshit, because even if this were a true observation it would prove nothing.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
|
![[Image: extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/zf86M5L7/extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg)
