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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
June 2, 2014 at 1:12 am (This post was last modified: June 2, 2014 at 1:19 am by snowtracks.)
(June 1, 2014 at 1:02 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:
(May 31, 2014 at 9:56 pm)snowtracks Wrote:
these nde are generally thought of as falling into 3 categories : 1. neuro-psychological - brain is malfunctioning in some way, aka, oxygen deprivation, endorphins being released, etc. 2. psychological nature of person - caused by perhaps a defense mechanism or shock. person is have a troubling psychological experience. these two categories percentagewise together account perhaps for 95%. 3 meta-physical in nature - secular skepticism would serve well here. one thing for sure, messages interpreted to be from God would be bogus; however, could be originating from a spiritual deception source.
Why do experiences of God deserve special consideration?
We know for a fact these experiences are originating within the brain, and mine can be dismissed with a psychological explanation, yet if I had told you I saw winged angels and pearly gates you'd unquestioningly accept it as evidence for the supernatural?
not me. God doesn't give private revelation.
(May 30, 2014 at 2:19 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:
(May 30, 2014 at 2:12 am)snowtracks Wrote: "The Earth formed with the Sun 4.6 billion years ago. At this point, it was nothing more than a molten ball of rock surrounded by an atmosphere of hydrogen and helium" - no oxygen. http://www.universetoday.com/26659/earth...tmosphere/
Quote:As the Earth cooled enough to form a solid crust (4.4 billion years ago), it was covered with active volcanos. These volcanos spewed out gasses, like water vapor, carbon dioxide and ammonia. This early toxic atmosphere was nothing like the atmosphere we have today.
Light from the Sun broke down the ammonia molecules released by volcanos, releasing nitrogen into the atmosphere. Over billions of years, the quantity of nitrogen built up to the levels we see today.
this impact also happened to provide much of the needed earth's core iron to form the magnetic field which shields the earth from the solar wind. "The iron core of the impactor melted on impact and merged with the iron core of Earth, according to computer models."
so the 'big whack' provided both the right atmosphere and magnetic field. http://www.psi.edu/epo/moon/moon.html
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
June 2, 2014 at 1:49 am (This post was last modified: June 2, 2014 at 2:01 am by Rampant.A.I..)
(June 2, 2014 at 1:12 am)snowtracks Wrote:
(June 1, 2014 at 1:02 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Why do experiences of God deserve special consideration?
We know for a fact these experiences are originating within the brain, and mine can be dismissed with a psychological explanation, yet if I had told you I saw winged angels and pearly gates you'd unquestioningly accept it as evidence for the supernatural?
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not me. God doesn't give private revelation.
Loads of Christians out there disagree.
You posted the story of someone's NDE that had nothing to do with Christianity as "evidence" for the afterlife.
I post an NDE, you say "God doesn't give personal revelation."
Did you forget about Saul? Abraham? Moses? The bible is packed full of individuals acting on personal revelations from God. Did you read the entire book?
this impact also happened to provide much of the needed earth's core iron to form the magnetic field which shields the earth from the solar wind. "The iron core of the impactor melted on impact and merged with the iron core of Earth, according to computer models."
so the 'big whack' provided both the right atmosphere and magnetic field. http://www.psi.edu/epo/moon/moon.html
Non sequitur, stop moving the goalposts: You claimed the earth had no atmosphere, cited an article, the next paragraph in the article describes an atmosphere.
On the other hand, I'm starting to understand where the username comes from.
RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
June 2, 2014 at 1:59 am
(June 2, 2014 at 1:49 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:
(June 2, 2014 at 1:12 am)snowtracks Wrote: [/hide]
not me. God doesn't give private revelation.
Loads of Christians out there disagree.
(June 2, 2014 at 1:12 am)snowtracks Wrote: this impact also happened to provide much of the needed earth's core iron to form the magnetic field which shields the earth from the solar wind. "The iron core of the impactor melted on impact and merged with the iron core of Earth, according to computer models."
so the 'big whack' provided both the right atmosphere and magnetic field. http://www.psi.edu/epo/moon/moon.html
Non sequitur, stop moving the goalposts: You claimed the earth had no atmosphere, cited an article, the next paragraph in the article describes an atmosphere.
On the other hand, I'm starting to understand where the username comes from.
wrote life-suffocating atmosphere---
"The Earth formed with the Sun 4.6 billion years ago. At this point, it was nothing more than a molten ball of rock surrounded by an atmosphere of hydrogen and helium" - no oxygen.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
June 2, 2014 at 10:39 am
(June 2, 2014 at 1:12 am)snowtracks Wrote: this impact also happened to provide much of the needed earth's core iron to form the magnetic field which shields the earth from the solar wind. "The iron core of the impactor melted on impact and merged with the iron core of Earth, according to computer models."
so the 'big whack' provided both the right atmosphere and magnetic field. http://www.psi.edu/epo/moon/moon.html
How did you so completely misunderstand those references?
That 'big whack' did neither of those things.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
June 2, 2014 at 11:23 am
(June 2, 2014 at 1:59 am)snowtracks Wrote: wrote life-suffocating atmosphere---
"The Earth formed with the Sun 4.6 billion years ago. At this point, it was nothing more than a molten ball of rock surrounded by an atmosphere of hydrogen and helium" - no oxygen.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
June 2, 2014 at 12:24 pm
Exactly so. It was the production of oxygen that led to the first atmospheric pollution event, as the metabolised free oxygen became more dominant in the atmosphere. It was this which gave rise to the so-called Cambrian Explosion; oxygen is like rocket fuel for life and allowed for multicellular organisms to evolve.
Of course I may have butchered the scenario somewhat, but it's essentially correct.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
June 2, 2014 at 1:57 pm
(June 2, 2014 at 12:24 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Exactly so. It was the production of oxygen that led to the first atmospheric pollution event, as the metabolised free oxygen became more dominant in the atmosphere. It was this which gave rise to the so-called Cambrian Explosion; oxygen is like rocket fuel for life and allowed for multicellular organisms to evolve.
Of course I may have butchered the scenario somewhat, but it's essentially correct.
Indeed the production of oxygen led to a mass extinction that almost wiped out all life.
RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
June 2, 2014 at 2:19 pm (This post was last modified: June 2, 2014 at 2:25 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(June 2, 2014 at 12:24 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Exactly so. It was the production of oxygen that led to the first atmospheric pollution event, as the metabolised free oxygen became more dominant in the atmosphere. It was this which gave rise to the so-called Cambrian Explosion; oxygen is like rocket fuel for life and allowed for multicellular organisms to evolve.
Of course I may have butchered the scenario somewhat, but it's essentially correct.
Not technically correct.
The first oxygen producing bacteria evolved >3 billion years ago, while the great oxidation event that resulted in accummulation of free oxygen in atmosphere occurred >2.5 billion years ago. But first indications of multicellular organisms occurred > 3 billion years ago. So oxygen in atmpshere didn't allow multi-cellular organisms to evolve. Pre-oxidation atmopshere clearly already allowed multicellularity to evolve, not just once, but many times.
(June 2, 2014 at 1:59 am)snowtracks Wrote: "The Earth formed with the Sun 4.6 billion years ago. At this point, it was nothing more than a molten ball of rock surrounded by an atmosphere of hydrogen and helium" - no oxygen.
Yes. But soon the primordian hydrogen and helium atmosphere was replaced by a nitrogen and carbon dioxide atmosphere that resulted from volcanism on the young and still mostly molten ball of rock.
Guess, what, carbon dioxide has oxygen in it.
Once there is chemically combined oxygen, there is ingriendients for biological processes such as photosynthesis to extract that oxygen from the carbon and release it to the atmosphere, like the little house plant you might have in you home still does every fucking day.............
RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
June 2, 2014 at 4:55 pm
Thanks for the clarification.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
June 2, 2014 at 8:34 pm
(June 2, 2014 at 1:49 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:
(June 2, 2014 at 1:12 am)snowtracks Wrote: [/hide]
not me. God doesn't give private revelation.
Loads of Christians out there disagree.
You posted the story of someone's NDE that had nothing to do with Christianity as "evidence" for the afterlife.
I post an NDE, you say "God doesn't give personal revelation."
Did you forget about Saul? Abraham? Moses? The bible is packed full of individuals acting on personal revelations from God. Did you read the entire book?
(June 2, 2014 at 1:12 am)snowtracks Wrote: this impact also happened to provide much of the needed earth's core iron to form the magnetic field which shields the earth from the solar wind. "The iron core of the impactor melted on impact and merged with the iron core of Earth, according to computer models."
so the 'big whack' provided both the right atmosphere and magnetic field. http://www.psi.edu/epo/moon/moon.html
Non sequitur, stop moving the goalposts: You claimed the earth had no atmosphere, cited an article, the next paragraph in the article describes an atmosphere.
On the other hand, I'm starting to understand where the username comes from.
nde has nothing to do about an afterlife. this is what I wrote "not exactly a cogent argument but an interesting story of how perceptions can change as time goes by." Ayer happen to have an nde.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.