(June 6, 2014 at 3:37 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 3:32 pm)mickiel Wrote: When will you see the evidence?

Evidence can be demonstrated to be true.

I can claim that light travels at 186,000 miles per second. And that claim can be demonstrated.

How would you go about demonstrating any of your claims that you have posted?

You sound like the two sides of the anthropic principles, you think in only one sided terms; only one way could be right; of course its you're way. I already mentioned the fine tuning of all creation as being deliberate, that was ignored and not accepted. No matter how many light years the sun is away from the earth, if god had not placed them both exactly where he did, they could not co-exist. That is designed purpose, conscious intent- its ridiculous to claim this is not evidence of god! I may as well be debating a wall.

If we did not have a digestive system, we all would die. If we had no heart, we could not exist. if we had no blood, we would not exist. If this is not evidence of purpose and design, I just don't know what is! Evolution did't doit, emergant nature did not do this, it was all in place when the universe was made , put in its place; our bodies had a digestive system from our beginning; the first man had a heart,. a head, a torso and blood; those things did NOT evolve over time./

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(June 6, 2014 at 3:34 pm)Cato Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 3:32 pm)mickiel Wrote: When will you see the evidence?

When you provide it. You have yet to demonstrate the validity of anything you have asserted here.

This is an atheistic rehersed response, just like the Christians do when they debate.

You're not actually debating, you're making assertions.

Question: did time prexist space time?

I think I can help. Let me show you what evidence is and is not.

Assertion: I was holding a fluffy lil fluffmyster named peanut.

Evidence Wrote:

Not Evidence Wrote:What I have told you is a fact. I know because I was holdin the little fluffster.

*Just ignore me looking like crap and the fact that photobucket hates me and insists on making all my freKing pictures upside down.

(June 6, 2014 at 3:50 pm)mickiel Wrote: You sound like the two sides of the anthropic principles, you think in only one sided terms; only one way could be right; of course its you're way. I already mentioned the fine tuning of all creation as being deliberate, that was ignored and not accepted. No matter how many light years the sun is away from the earth, if god had not placed them both exactly where he did, they could not co-exist. That is designed purpose, conscious intent- its ridiculous to claim this is not evidence of god! I may as well be debating a wall.

If we did not have a digestive system, we all would die. If we had no heart, we could not exist. if we had no blood, we would not exist. If this is not evidence of purpose and design, I just don't know what is! Evolution did't doit, emergant nature did not do this, it was all in place when the universe was made , put in its place; our bodies had a digestive system from our beginning; the first man had a heart,. a head, a torso and blood; those things did NOT evolve over time./

Look, brah. Us being on an inhabitable planet isn't proof that we were designed to be here. We could only exist and have evolved on a planet that could support life. You're AGAIN assuming humans are some super-goal of the universe. We adapted to this planet. This planet was not put here for us.

"If this is not evidence of purpose and design, I just don't know what is!" EXACTLY! There is no evidence of purpose and design. Our ancestors developed circulatory systems by means of natural selection.

You said earlier that you "accepted evolution". Now you post this bullshit:

"Evolution did't doit, emergant nature did not do this, it was all in place when the universe was made , put in its place; our bodies had a digestive system from our beginning; the first man had a heart,. a head, a torso and blood; those things did NOT evolve over time./"

Dude, wtf? They did, demonstrably, evolve over time. We have overwhelming evidence to support it - go look for yourself.



Guys and gals - I think we can just stop trying with this guy now....

(June 6, 2014 at 3:54 pm)Losty Wrote:

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I think I can help. Let me show you what evidence is and is not.

Assertion: I was hold a fluffy lil fluffmyster named peanut.

Evidence Wrote:

Not Evidence Wrote:What I have told you is a fact. I know because I was holdin the little fluffster.

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*Just ignore me looking like crap and the fact that photobucket hates me and insists on making all my freKing pictures upside down.

And assuming that it isn't photoshopped.

THEER IS N0 D0G TEH DOG IZ LIEZ!

(June 6, 2014 at 3:48 pm)Confused Ape Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 3:32 pm)mickiel Wrote: I think god planed it all. atheist are atheist, because they are supposed to be,

So why are you on an atheist forum trying to convince atheists that god exists? After all, according to your belief, you're trying to interfere with god's plan because he wants us to be atheists.

I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. I am here because I have debated atheist on Christian or neutral forums for so long, I wanted to go to an atheist form and experience that.

I could care less what atheist or Christians believe. I just like communicating with people.

(June 6, 2014 at 3:50 pm)mickiel Wrote: If we did not have a digestive system, we all would die. If we had no heart, we could not exist. if we had no blood, we would not exist. If this is not evidence of purpose and design, I just don't know what is! Evolution did't doit, emergant nature did not do this, it was all in place when the universe was made , put in its place; our bodies had a digestive system from our beginning; the first man had a heart,. a head, a torso and blood; those things did NOT evolve over time./

From an earlier post of yours.

(June 6, 2014 at 3:32 pm)mickiel Wrote: I think god planed it all. atheist are atheist, because they are supposed to be,

Then you'll have to think that atheists accept evolution because we're supposed to. After all, according to your belief, that would be part of god's plan as well because atheists don't believe god created everything.

(June 6, 2014 at 3:58 pm)mickiel Wrote: I could care less what atheist or Christians believe. I just like communicating with people.

You do know then, we can talk about something other than god?

Like video games? >.> Or films? Or bitching about Disney?

ThePinsir

Guys and gals - I think we can just stop trying with this guy now....
[/quote Wrote:If you are pulling out, leave by yourself, why manipulate others into leaving?

The Christians who realize they will not change me do that too. Strange similarity.

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(June 6, 2014 at 4:00 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: [quote='mickiel' pid='682917' dateline='1402084720']
I could care less what atheist or Christians believe. I just like communicating with people.

You do know then, we can talk about something other than god?

Like video games? >.> Or films? Or bitching about Disney?

Join me on the site thread about science and the church.

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(June 6, 2014 at 4:00 pm)Confused Ape Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 3:50 pm)mickiel Wrote: If we did not have a digestive system, we all would die. If we had no heart, we could not exist. if we had no blood, we would not exist. If this is not evidence of purpose and design, I just don't know what is! Evolution did't doit, emergant nature did not do this, it was all in place when the universe was made , put in its place; our bodies had a digestive system from our beginning; the first man had a heart,. a head, a torso and blood; those things did NOT evolve over time./

From an earlier post of yours.

(June 6, 2014 at 3:32 pm)mickiel Wrote: I think god planed it all. atheist are atheist, because they are supposed to be,

Then you'll have to think that atheists accept evolution because we're supposed to. After all, according to your belief, that would be part of god's plan as well because atheists don't believe god created everything.

Right. by the way, I accept evolution myself, much of it.

(June 6, 2014 at 11:22 am)mickiel Wrote: By nothingness I mean the "theory" that all things came from nothing; a black hole in space, a big bang in the nothing we call space, or life began in a magical worm hole that suddenly appear from what was not there before.

So when you say 'nothingness', you mean 'somethings' like black holes, big bangs, and worm holes. That's very confusing.

(June 6, 2014 at 10:45 am)mickiel Wrote: Something cannot come from nothing, it did not happen like that.

I would be very interested in seeing your proof that something cannot come from nothing.

(June 6, 2014 at 10:45 am)mickiel Wrote: Even an explosion cannot occur without established reasons for it to occur.

You seem to be claiming that if an explosion occurs and we don't understand the reasons for it, it didn't happen. Since I find it doubtful that is what you really mean, perhaps you could clarify.

(June 6, 2014 at 10:45 am)mickiel Wrote: And big bang explosion do not create matter, it destroys matter.

What 'exploded' was the all the matter and energy of the universe that had previously existed in a very dense state. We don't know how long the universe was in that hot, dense state, or where it came from, or if it always existed in some form. There are, however, a number of hypotheses that contradict no known physics that have the disadvantage of being impossible to test at this time. Our problem is not that we don't have any natural explanations for the universe, we have too many. The initial inflation did not create matter and energy, it spread it around.

(June 6, 2014 at 10:45 am)mickiel Wrote: And animals are not conscious, as we are conscious; they are very limited in their ability to think and reason, but they have excellent instincts. Again which points to a creator.

That is a claim. Care to support it with more than mere assertion? There are animals that can pass the same kinds of tests for consciousness that we use to test consciousness in small children, do you think four-year-old humans lack consciiousness?

(June 6, 2014 at 10:45 am)mickiel Wrote: Cursing takes away from language, and our respect for language. Its why more and more teens curse, because more and more adults curse; in this manner we slowly reduce the human language and fill it with negative nonsense. Cursing has hurt our language more than religion.

The actual process is that words that used to be considered 'bad language' enter general vocabulary and stop being considered 'bad' or eventually go out of style, and we make up new words to consider 'bad'. Even signing gorillas make up 'bad words'. It's nothing new, we just don't consider the curses our grandparents used to be that shocking anymore.