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The vanilla bean-evolutionary quandry
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The vanilla bean-evolutionary quandry
June 7, 2014 at 5:04 pm
(June 7, 2014 at 11:36 am)LastPoet Wrote: Disregarding the obvious ignorance on the OP, isn't it funny that they don't apply the same skepticism to their myths?

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RE: The vanilla bean-evolutionary quandry
June 9, 2014 at 3:22 am
(June 6, 2014 at 7:44 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(June 6, 2014 at 7:26 pm)professor Wrote: Co-evolution.....?
Those bees and vines sure were lucky to make themselves at exactly the same time.
Whoda thought.. Maybe a blind date?

That's the whole point of coevolution - they didn't make themselves at the same time. Look up the word, study up a bit, and get back to us. You aren't going to get anywhere parroting someone else's ignorance.

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I'm going to throw something at you that you and other atheist throw at Christians, bring your proof we do not have time to go look up this stuff or at least post references, this is part of a forum discussion, so where's your proof.

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RE: The vanilla bean-evolutionary quandry
June 9, 2014 at 3:47 am
(June 9, 2014 at 3:22 am)Godschild Wrote:
(June 6, 2014 at 7:44 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: That's the whole point of coevolution - they didn't make themselves at the same time. Look up the word, study up a bit, and get back to us. You aren't going to get anywhere parroting someone else's ignorance.

Boru

I'm going to throw something at you that you and other atheist throw at Christians, bring your proof we do not have time to go look up this stuff or at least post references, this is part of a forum discussion, so where's your proof.

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Well, strictly speaking, 'proof' doesn't exist in science (I can post Gould's definition of 'proved', if you can't be bothered to look it up), so will you settle for evidence and examples of co-evolution?

For the record, I have never, not ONCE, asked a Christian for proof of what they believe.

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The vanilla bean-evolutionary quandry
June 9, 2014 at 4:01 am (This post was last modified: June 9, 2014 at 4:05 am by Rampant.A.I..)
(June 9, 2014 at 3:22 am)Godschild Wrote:
(June 6, 2014 at 7:44 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: That's the whole point of coevolution - they didn't make themselves at the same time. Look up the word, study up a bit, and get back to us. You aren't going to get anywhere parroting someone else's ignorance.

Boru

I'm going to throw something at you that you and other atheist throw at Christians, bring your proof we do not have time to go look up this stuff or at least post references, this is part of a forum discussion, so where's your proof.

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This is why no one bothers with you. You claim no evidence has been provided, yet announce you're too lazy to visit a single link, or view a video.

There seems to be a common trend here...

(June 6, 2014 at 7:48 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:
(June 6, 2014 at 7:26 pm)professor Wrote: Co-evolution.....?



Quote:co·ev·o·lu·tion
ˌkōevəˈlo͞oSHən,-ēvə-/
nounBIOLOGY
the influence of closely associated species on each other in their evolution.

Your argument assumes:
1. Evolution does not take place
2. Therefore the plant and bee have always been in the same form there are now.

The more likely scenario: The bee and food source co-evolved over a long period of time, thus appear in the form they are today.

The Vanilla Bean orchid is estimated to be 60-70 million years old. Do you think it might have changed in that amount of time?

Quote:Bees, the largest (>16,000 species) and most important radiation of pollinating insects, originated in early to mid-Cretaceous, roughly in synchrony with the angiosperms (flowering plants). Understanding the diversification of the bees and the coevolutionary history of bees and angiosperms requires a well supported phylogeny of bees (as well as angiosperms). We reconstructed a robust phylogeny of bees at the family and subfamily levels using a data set of five genes (4,299 nucleotide sites)
http://www.pnas.org/content/103/41/15118.full

Do you think some of the 16,000 species bees may have adapted to the plants they evolved to feed from?
Too lazy to read this, too lazy to visit a link, don't bother to read anything about evolution.





Not our fault you have a severe Google disability brought on by advanced case of Creationitis.

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RE: The vanilla bean-evolutionary quandry
June 9, 2014 at 4:09 am
(June 9, 2014 at 3:22 am)Godschild Wrote: I'm going to throw something at you that you and other atheist throw at Christians, bring your proof we do not have time to go look up this stuff or at least post references, this is part of a forum discussion, so where's your proof.

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Very easy. So easy, in fact, that you must not have been thinking when you made your blithe comment: did the bees exist in the same environment as the bean? Or do you actually think that they both existed on separate planes of existence?

If they existed together, then one constituted a part of the environment of the other, and vice versa. Therefore, they were selection pressures to one another, and therefore, they co-evolved. Simple.
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RE: The vanilla bean-evolutionary quandry
June 9, 2014 at 4:20 am
Wait, so...I like vanilla ice cream, therefore god? Best argument yet.
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RE: The vanilla bean-evolutionary quandry
June 9, 2014 at 6:46 am
(June 9, 2014 at 4:09 am)Esquilax Wrote:
(June 9, 2014 at 3:22 am)Godschild Wrote: I'm going to throw something at you that you and other atheist throw at Christians, bring your proof we do not have time to go look up this stuff or at least post references, this is part of a forum discussion, so where's your proof.

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Very easy. So easy, in fact, that you must not have been thinking when you made your blithe comment: did the bees exist in the same environment as the bean? Or do you actually think that they both existed on separate planes of existence?

If they existed together, then one constituted a part of the environment of the other, and vice versa. Therefore, they were selection pressures to one another, and therefore, they co-evolved. Simple.

Or sky god danced around in a pink tutu sprinkling rocks with magic sparkling fairy dust turning them into bees and flowers that just happen to have DNA.

Yepp it is a hard choice...for the extremely mentally deranged..
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RE: The vanilla bean-evolutionary quandry
June 9, 2014 at 7:29 am
(June 9, 2014 at 4:20 am)Losty Wrote: Wait, so...I like vanilla ice cream, therefore god? Best argument yet.

Well, it is intelligently designed, so...
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