(June 9, 2014 at 9:58 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 9:58 pm)mickiel Wrote: Over used rehearsed atheist response; beginning to sound like a broken record!

Yes you are. You can't support your claims, so you just repeat them.

And stop calling me an atheist, jester.

I called the response atheist, not you.

Is that like how your evidence and beliefs are Christian, but you aren't?

Rambling bald assertions unsupported by or contradicted by all available evidence is one of the hallmarks of religious belief, and other types of irrational belief systems.

Conspiracy theories, flat-earthers, Realien believers, to name a few.

This has nothing to do with beliefs about God, it has everything to do with the rejection of reality and evidence that contradicts your beliefs.

(June 9, 2014 at 11:39 am)mickiel Wrote: Man is limited, life is confined, both signs and evidence of a limiter. A confiner. If nature designed life, WHY did it limit it? WHY? The bible at least EXPLAINS WHY god limits it, nature does not. Science does not.

You are so incredibly, and willfully, ignorant it's not even funny anymore. It saddens me that people like yourself exist. There are many, many books, pamphlets, scientific papers, web sites, etc... that explain biology and evolution. All you have to do is a little research. No, the buy-bull thumping sites that start with a conclusion (as you so erroneously do) do not count. Find scientific sources, even if they're grade school level (my recommendation for your level of ignorance) and educate yourself.

Or, blindly flail away in your comfortable, willful ignorance, remaining blind to the true beauty of the world, indeed the universe, around you. I'm sure that's what you'll do.

(June 9, 2014 at 9:04 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 8:59 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Is this one of your "facts" or "evidence"? What's your source for this "fact"?

How are you defining consciousness? Self-awareness? The ability to empathize? Reason?

My source is the animals themselves, I have NEVER seen an animal in 59 years of living that can reason with me, talk to me, tell me how to get to Texas, or explain to me why I am black.

It would appear that your standard of consciousness appears to be the ability to communicate with you.

How utterly predictable and fallacious.

(June 9, 2014 at 10:05 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Is that like how your evidence and beliefs are Christian, but you aren't?

Yes. I have to use what is available that I agree with. Truth is scattered around and you have to be picky with it. I am forced to use some Christian material, and I don't like doing it.

There are no group materials which believe like me, with perhaps the exception of two websites; and I been kicked out of them both. They are called " Universalist", similar in belief to me.

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(June 9, 2014 at 10:07 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 11:39 am)mickiel Wrote: Man is limited, life is confined, both signs and evidence of a limiter. A confiner. If nature designed life, WHY did it limit it? WHY? The bible at least EXPLAINS WHY god limits it, nature does not. Science does not.

You are so incredibly, and willfully, ignorant it's not even funny anymore. It saddens me that people like yourself exist. There are many, many books, pamphlets, scientific papers, web sites, etc... that explain biology and evolution. All you have to do is a little research. No, the buy-bull thumping sites that start with a conclusion (as you so erroneously do) do not count. Find scientific sources, even if they're grade school level (my recommendation for your level of ignorance) and educate yourself.

Or, blindly flail away in your comfortable, willful ignorance, remaining blind to the true beauty of the world, indeed the universe, around you. I'm sure that's what you'll do.

Oh I love science, my daughter teaches it in high school. I just finished Julian Jaynes " The Origin of Consciousness in the Bi cameral mind." Stunning read, excellent and hard read too. Science as a whole, oh I am woefully ignorant, yes. But I am smart enough to NEVER call anyone ignorant.

(June 9, 2014 at 12:42 pm)mickiel Wrote: The people telling me don't get it. 41 pages of me giving you evidence, reason; and you don't get it.

Because, up to and including this post, you have not presented any evidence. None whatsoever. Bare assertions and arguments from ignorance, but not the least shred of evidence.

Open your mind and read some science!

(June 9, 2014 at 10:09 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 9:04 pm)mickiel Wrote: My source is the animals themselves, I have NEVER seen an animal in 59 years of living that can reason with me, talk to me, tell me how to get to Texas, or explain to me why I am black.

It would appear that your standard of consciousness appears to be the ability to communicate with you.

How utterly predictable and fallacious.

That's one of them, yes. One on a long list that no animal could ever even fulfill 1/10th of.

(June 9, 2014 at 12:48 pm)mickiel Wrote: my evidence is being rejected; I am not trolling. I give what I have, such as;
http://www.onereason.org/the-god-confusi...s-for-god/

Its being rejected. I give my reason, my evidence, its just not evidence accepted

It's not that your evidence is being refused. What you're providing isn't evidence. It's been explained to you over and why it isn't. It's your failing that leads to continued dismissals of your ridiculous, unsupported claims.

(June 9, 2014 at 10:15 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 12:42 pm)mickiel Wrote: The people telling me don't get it. 41 pages of me giving you evidence, reason; and you don't get it.

Because, up to and including this post, you have not presented any evidence. None whatsoever. Bare assertions and arguments from ignorance, but not the least shred of evidence.

Open your mind and read some science!

Open you're mind and read more of my evidence;

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/genera...l-113.html

Rum atheist run; but where you gone hide?

(June 9, 2014 at 10:16 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 10:09 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: It would appear that your standard of consciousness appears to be the ability to communicate with you.

How utterly predictable and fallacious.

That's one of them, yes. One on a long list that no animal could ever even fulfill 1/10th of.

Again, predictable. You appear to be completely unaware of the research in this field.