Mikel, the majority of this planet is uninhabitable, some garden of Eden.

Fact is, 98-99% of ALL species that have lived on this planet are now extinct.

Some design.

Mickie, if you have any grievance with the conduct of any member of Staff in the pursuit of their duties, myself included, report it through the proper channels. Don't just complain about it in an open public thread, unles you wish the Staff deliberations and verdict to be equally public. For the record I did not threaten you; I asked you, politely, to abide by the rules - the same rules, by the way, that apply to everyone equally.

And citing Wing Nut Daily? Seriously? Is it any wonder why your credibility rating is through the floor?

(June 8, 2014 at 7:12 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 8, 2014 at 5:10 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: I don't think you actually understood what I said. Maybe if I repeat it and you actually read it this time, you may understand.

Spiderman lives in NewYork.
NewYork is a real place.
Does spiderman exist?

jesus was baptized in the river Jordan, we still have that river

Spiderman was born in Queens, we still have Queens.

(June 8, 2014 at 7:12 pm)mickiel Wrote: he prayed in the garden of gethsemede, we still have that garden

He fought Doc Ock in Times Square, we still have Times Square.

(June 8, 2014 at 7:12 pm)mickiel Wrote: he was marched through the Damascus gate on his way to being killed, we have that gate

Gwen Stacy, the love of Spiderman's life, was killed at the Brooklyn Bridge. We have that Bridge.

(June 8, 2014 at 7:12 pm)mickiel Wrote: he was killed on the skull mountain, we have that mountain

He married Mary Jane Watson at Shea Stadium, we have that stadium.

(June 8, 2014 at 7:12 pm)mickiel Wrote: he was buried in two possible graves, we have them both

Um, you know that means we don't have any confirmed grave for him, right?

(June 8, 2014 at 7:12 pm)mickiel Wrote: he was slapped by a priest, we have that priest bones

Spidey and Mary Jane were married by Stan Lee. We have Stan Lee.

(June 8, 2014 at 7:12 pm)mickiel Wrote: a black man helped him carry his cross, we have the bone box of that black man

There are photos of Spiderman accompanying Stan Lee to Wall Street when Marvel Comics first traded on the stock exchange.

(June 8, 2014 at 7:12 pm)mickiel Wrote: he taught in Jerusalem, that city is still there

He studied (and fights crime) in NYC, that city is still there.

(June 8, 2014 at 7:12 pm)mickiel Wrote: all of this and more is confirmed in history; nothing about spiderman is recorded in history.

If we ever forget Spiderman is a fictional character, we will have just as much evidence, and the same kind of evidence, as you present for the existence of Jesus. And I don't believe Jesus is fictional, it's just that your 'evidence' for him...isn't.

(June 8, 2014 at 7:12 pm)mickiel Wrote: I don't think you understand the difference between reality and spiderman.

I don't think you understand the similarity between the arguments you make for Jesus and the arguments that can be made for Spiderman.

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(June 8, 2014 at 7:58 pm)mickiel Wrote: I am not christian, ( why do you capitolize Christian?) , I am not a troll, and I am not atheist.

Because, English.

(June 8, 2014 at 7:12 pm)mickiel Wrote: Which means I am free!

Yay, you're free to believe any silly crap you want without thinking it through. How wonderful for you.

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(June 8, 2014 at 8:56 pm)mickiel Wrote: That is exactly what god wanted; we are temporary physical chemical existence, designed to die. We were born to die! And nothing can stop it; death is a proof of god.

Yah, yah, and if we lived forever, that would be proof of God, too, eh?

I say it's proof God doesn't exist, and I have easily as much support for that position as you've demonstrated for yours.

(June 8, 2014 at 7:12 pm)mickiel Wrote: But when you exclude god from reality, you can't understand why we exist and what our true future is.

I actually don't exclude God from reality, but I can't help but note that reality makes a lot more sense if you do.

(June 8, 2014 at 7:12 pm)mickiel Wrote: Our future is greater than atheism and theism, and neither group can understand that correctly in my view.

They're different opinions on a single topic. They're unimportant in themselves.

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(June 8, 2014 at 9:11 pm)mickiel Wrote: Why would god want any wherelse inhabitable, when his focus is on us here on earth? You miss another evidence of him right there. If life is random chance, how come no other area in this vastness got so lucky?

Life isn't random chance, which we keep telling you; and you don't know that no other area in this vastness got so lucky.

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(June 8, 2014 at 9:25 pm)mickiel Wrote: I can't answer you without being accused of being a troll; so I am done.

Peace.

I'll believe it when I see it. How many times do trolls usually say they're leaving in a huff before they actually go away?

Edit: Wow, proven right in 13 posts, I must be a prophet!

(June 8, 2014 at 7:12 pm)mickiel Wrote: he was buried in two possible graves, we have them both

Don't you find something odd about that? Jesus is supposed to be God incarnate and his tomb is supposed to have been where the most important miracle in history took place.

The tomb was donated by Joseph of Arimathea who obviously knew it's location. Jesus's disciples would have known it's location as well along with the women who went there and discovered that it was empty. Saint Paul stayed with Saint Peter in Jerusalem for 15 days and also met the apostle James so you'd think that Peter or James would have taken Paul to see the empty tomb. Why, then, is there confusion about where Jesus was buried?

(June 8, 2014 at 7:16 pm)mickiel Wrote: My personal concept of god is

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that he exist, is the power behind all energy, he designed all things and maintains them, and he brought humans into being to be with him, after we first live in flesh and confusion, suffer and die. It is because of god that suffering exist, theism and atheism exist, good and evil exist; he wanted us all to experience all this, and we all are predestined to be with him in his world, whether we want that or not, nothing can stop it; its the reason we exist; there will be no choice.

I view god as dominant, an absolute ruler, he always gets his way, he is not democratic , he is loving, gentle, longsuffering, kind, his anger does not last, he is VERY forgiving and patient, and it is because of him that humans do not believe in him; he has hide himself from them, AND, he allowed the perversion of religion, he wanted that to happen.

He is giving humanity a serious bath in ourselves, and we all we know what ruling ourselves has led to.
There is gods way, and nothingelse! We are just living out the plan of god. And its absolutely nothing we can do about it.

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It's an interesting view but, if God wants the perversion of religion, how can you be sure that the Bible is true? After all, God could have arranged for this book to include references to real places and people so humans would be led to believe that it's all true and start religions about it. (Judaism and then Christianity).

(June 9, 2014 at 11:32 am)mickiel Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 11:25 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: The question is why you careen blithely on without showing the slightest indication you understand replies to your posts.

I completely understand them, and mostly disagree with them. You get that: DISAGREE with them. Not ignore them; hey, just because a person disagrees with you, does not mean they are stupid or ignorant; I get treated here exactly like I do at Christian forums; the mods intimidate and threaten you, you get called a troll for disagreeing, your evidence is completely dismissed as no evidence, you get cursed at, ridiculed and they want you gone.

A person who understands something can demonstrate their understanding while disagreeing, it helps keep them from seeming like a clueless idiot for whom every response may as well be shot over their head for all the chance they'll grasp what is being said. It's not like we don't get theist visitors we respect. It's your misplaced delusions of conversational adequacy that bug me, not your theism.

(June 8, 2014 at 7:12 pm)mickiel Wrote: No difference at all between the two; theist and atheist will persecute you if you do not join their thinking.

That's just how it is.

If you believe there is a God, you are a theist, by definition. That's what a theist is, a person who believes at least one God or god really exists. Though I don't think you're capable of learning even this simple thing. Assuming you're not a Poe whose intent is to make believers seem irrational and obnoxious. If that's the case, please stop, it's dishonest and unnecessary.

(June 9, 2014 at 12:05 pm)Napoléon Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 11:59 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Mick this is another argument from ignorance.

41 pages. 41 damn pages, of people telling him this.

He doesn't get it. He doesn't want to get it. He never will get it.

The people telling me don't get it. 41 pages of me giving you evidence, reason; and you don't get it.

http://www.reasonsforgod.org/the-best-reasons/

(June 9, 2014 at 11:49 am)mickiel Wrote: I still disagree, if we took the question of gods existence to court, archaeological evidence cannot be ruled out.

If you can find a court that stupid.

(June 8, 2014 at 7:12 pm)mickiel Wrote: You are just ruling it out.

Because archaelogical evidence can't be evidence of what you're claiming. It can't be evidence for God, Zeus, or Anubis. It can only be evidence for what human beings did and thought.

(June 9, 2014 at 12:15 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Mickie, if you have any grievance with the conduct of any member of Staff in the pursuit of their duties, myself included, report it through the proper channels. Don't just complain about it in an open public thread, unles you wish the Staff deliberations and verdict to be equally public. For the record I did not threaten you; I asked you, politely, to abide by the rules - the same rules, by the way, that apply to everyone equally.

I have no grievance, and I do wish for my verdicts from staff to be public please. I am not breaking any rules, my evidence is being rejected; I am not trolling. I give what I have, such as;
http://www.onereason.org/the-god-confusi...s-for-god/

Its being rejected. I give my reason, my evidence, its just not evidence accepted; quit saying I am giving no evidence, rather say the evidence is not accepted!

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(June 9, 2014 at 12:05 pm)Napoléon Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 11:59 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Mick this is another argument from ignorance.

41 pages. 41 damn pages, of people telling him this.

He doesn't get it. He doesn't want to get it. He never will get it.

Here, add this to your next page count:

http://www.toptenproofs.com/article_godsexistence.php

(June 9, 2014 at 12:48 pm)mickiel Wrote: Its being rejected. I give my reason, my evidence, its just not evidence accepted; quit saying I am giving no evidence, rather say the evidence is not accepted!

The defining characteristic of evidence is that examining it leads to a particular conclusion and if the evidence were different, it would lead to a different conclusion. By claiming absolutely everything as evidence, you rob it all of the property of being evidence: that a different conclusion could be reached if the evidence were different.

PLUS:

If God, then everything->Everything, therefore God

has the same problem as

If Bill Gates, then rich->Rich, therefore Bill Gates.