Mickiel is fortunate breathing is an involuntary task; his conscious brain would be overwhelmed by the task.

(June 10, 2014 at 9:43 pm)mickiel Wrote: Mouth? Shut my mouth? Communication is a byproduct of the God you fear. If the universe created itself, oh did it also have the SENSE to create a way for its creations to communicate and then devise how it would come together and create thinking beings who could take over creation and evolve into creating on their own???

Kind of like " Take the unthinking weight of matter off of itself", and create thinking life forms who could think better than non thinking THINGS! And life then continued in this manner?

Has this site gone mad?

Excuse me, but I didn't ask for your crazy, stupid rambling. In fact, I think I was very clear in inviting you to shut your stupid twunt mouth if you couldn't show us this god of yours.

(June 11, 2014 at 10:05 am)mickiel Wrote:

(June 11, 2014 at 7:58 am)Stimbo Wrote: Mickiel, seriously: show me one post in which I intimidated you at all, let alone used my position to do so. If you wish to report me for abusing my position then do it - throwing allegations around is not the way to be taken seriously.

I asked you twice, politely, to adhere to the rules. If I'd wanted to use my position to make it an official warning I'd have posted in Mod Green, like this. Everything else I say is in my capacity as an ordinary member of the community, just like you. So now I insist - put up or shut up in your very next post. Don't forget the apology; in public, the way you made the accusation.

You accused me of trolling these members and warned me for " The second time " to stop. I give no apology for your wind. You're just going to have to use your power to protect these members from me, because if you don't, I am going to stomp them all.

Including you.

Oooh, you're going to stomp everyone? With what, the power of your unsupported religious assertions? With the weight of increasingly-long text walls? Did you think you had some magic power of influence that would cause the atheists to scatter like cockroaches when your Holy Light was shone on them?

The problem with the belief in God is that it doesn't have a magical effect on people who went to school and learned how to think critically. You want people to accept a God who is more complex than all the many trillions of stars in the observable universe, but who gets cranky when a teenage boy masturbates in the shower. But you have it backward-- God is not even as complex as the average high-school-educated brain-- and that's because God is an idea which was made up for the unwashed masses, and simple folk they were and are for believing that Sky Daddy is the best answer to their philosophical questions. Really, all you should need to do is to find the Indian hindu, or Tibetan buddhist, or British pagan, equivalent of a Christian fundamentalist, and realize that emotional conviction and cultural reinforcement make fairy tales feel real. Look at how stupid all those other mythologies sound to you, and then look into the mirror and read the Bible out loud. If you can't see the connection, then you dont have the intellectual capacity to "stomp" on anyone here.

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(June 11, 2014 at 11:14 am)Cato Wrote: Mickiel is fortunate breathing is an involuntary task; his conscious brain would be overwhelmed by the task.

I don't know. He's pretty good at the forceful exhalation part. In fact, I'm confident that he would be equally good at both sucking and blowing as he is at huffing and puffing.

(June 10, 2014 at 9:17 pm)mickiel Wrote: I was flipped before I got here, flipped now, and will be when I leave. The " Flaw of the first step in any how life began theory" is striking evidence for God.

Again, I appreciate these posts that give me something to chew on. There is no scientific theory on how life began. Abiogenesis is hypothetical, its ideas can't yet be tested, and it may never be possible to find out exactly what happened billions of years ago to get life started. However, it is certain that there was a time when there was no life on earth, and that the earliest life forms that show up in the fossil record are single-celled organisms.

(June 10, 2014 at 7:32 pm)mickiel Wrote: Even the first step in the scientific theory of evolution does not work in my view.

Abiogenesis is not part of the theory of evolution. Evolution is about how populations of organisms change over time, not how the process got started. God could have 'poofed' the first bacteria into existence four billion years ago and it woudln't affect the theory of evolution at all.

(June 10, 2014 at 7:32 pm)mickiel Wrote: The weird one I can think of is that life evolved in Hydrothermal Vents deep under the sea.

There is an informal fallacy called the 'argument from incredulity'. It amounts to 'I find this hard to believe and/or understand, therefore it isn't true.' It's a form of argument from ignorance: 'My ignorance about this topic entitles me to say that your claim isn't true'. Note that if you find this an acceptable line of argumentation, it follows that all I need to say to refute you is that claiming a God made everything is a weird idea, and people will do anything to move their idea of God into the picture. Do you think that's a good argument?

(June 10, 2014 at 7:32 pm)mickiel Wrote: People will do anything to move God out of the picture; believe anything.

This illustrates the fallacy known as 'appeal to motive'. Even if people have a motive to say what they're saying, it doesn't mean what they're saying isn't true. The truth or falsity of a statement stands or falls on its own logical and emprical merits.

(June 10, 2014 at 7:32 pm)mickiel Wrote: They are unaware that biological evolution is a natural process installed during creation.

That's actually what some of them believe. There are scientists working in this field who are theists and accept that the scientific theory of biological evolution is correct. That is pretty much the official position of the Roman Catholic Church, for instance.

(June 10, 2014 at 7:32 pm)mickiel Wrote: No first step could create a totally functioning ANYTHING!

This is an unsupported assertion. How might you go about finding out if its true or false?

(June 10, 2014 at 7:32 pm)mickiel Wrote: And I challenge anyone to prove it can.

We can certainly prove that complex molecules can form spontaneously in conditions we believe replicate those of the primordial earth. RNA strands of around 40 nucleotides in length have been observed forming under such conditions. Under the RNA world hypothesis, the precursor of life was a strand of self-replicating RNA. Once the first such strand formed, natural selection would have worked to select the variations most successful at replicating, eventually leading to the most primitive biological organisms. Evidence for this includes the role of RNA rather than DNA in some of the most basic and ancient biological processes.

(June 10, 2014 at 7:32 pm)mickiel Wrote: I am going to peel the skin off of atheism, and let you watch while I do it!

Atheism isn't complicated enough to have a skin. It's just not believing other people's claims about gods or God. Presenting an argument for the existence of God that doesn't contain a fallacy along with a piece of evidence that points only to God rather than just as easily to natural processes or human folly...that would convince a lot of atheists. To me, one of the best arguments for atheism is how flawed all the arguments for theism are; logic alone can't get you to God, but a really good argument would make you famous.

(June 10, 2014 at 9:17 pm)mickiel Wrote: Even you Stimbo. Lets have it. I like you're name, but you're game is off. Like the rest of you're team, and I am going to slowly dismantle you.

Have you heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect? It's the tendency of unskilled people to overestimate their ability while more knowledgeable people tend to understimate their superiority. Your ability is too limited for you to even understand how badly you're doing. I believe you can do better if you try, and along with learning how to do better, you'll learn some humility. The person bragging about how great they're doing in an argument usually might as well be carrying a big sign with an arrow pointing down that says 'idiot'. You don't have to be that guy. You could become one of our best contributors. If you try to up your game and take on board new information.

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(June 10, 2014 at 11:39 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 10, 2014 at 11:26 pm)Losty Wrote: For last? What are you going to do?

Oh it was him who used his position to intimidate me, I am going to reverse that, and use his imagined position to intimidate him. Well not entirely imagined , you're Mods must protect you; he is a mod, and I am the new threat; but I am more than he has ever encountered;

He will not be embarrassed, he knows that; so I have him.

What's it feel like Stem, to be had?

Don't threaten the mods. Just a suggestion. It makes it sound like you want to be banned. In fact, a lot of the things you say make it sound like you want to be banned.

(June 10, 2014 at 7:32 pm)mickiel Wrote: I am going to peel the skin off of atheism, and let you watch while I do it!

Not here, you aren't.

Ah, he's gone. I hope it's temporary, he showed a slight glimmering of getting more interesting...but maybe I'm projecting.

God probably preordained it. Or something.

(June 11, 2014 at 12:06 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Ah, he's gone. I hope it's temporary, he showed a slight glimmering of getting more interesting...but maybe I'm projecting.

I'm sorry to upset you man, but unfortunately his hiatus will be permanent.

(June 11, 2014 at 12:15 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: I'm sorry to upset you man, but unfortunately his hiatus will be permanent.

Awww.....hey pop, I thought you said we could keep him?

Too many messes on the carpet I suppose.

(June 11, 2014 at 12:01 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(June 10, 2014 at 7:32 pm)mickiel Wrote: I am going to peel the skin off of atheism, and let you watch while I do it!

Not here, you aren't.

I don't know. That might have been entertaining.