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(June 12, 2014 at 11:45 am)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

(June 12, 2014 at 5:27 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: I guess I miss the sense of security which comes from believing there is a Plan. Praying for me was a bit like fight club. When it was over, nothing was resolved, but the problems seemed smaller.

If prayer was a coping mechanism you used to make your problems seem more manageable (by making them seem smaller), it sounds like you need to find a new coping mechanism.

Or at least a personal assistant.

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(June 12, 2014 at 3:53 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: The premise, God, was a lie. But the comfort it offered was real. Real comfort from an untrue belief.

Make sense?

Absolutely. No way. Not sure. Huh?

(June 12, 2014 at 3:53 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: The premise, God, was a lie. But the comfort it offered was real. Real comfort from an untrue belief.

Make sense?

I'm afraid not, because if you used to believe that God was a lie, then that means that you didn't actually believe in God, and thus you weren't a Christian as you claimed to be, nor a theist, for that matter.

Also, I think it is psychologically impossible that you are able to feel real comfort in "believing" in something which you think is a lie. That just doesn't go together.

Ray, that's why he's in trouble, now.
Back then, he believed and felt the comfort of that belief.
Now, he doesn't believe and can't come back to that comfort.

(June 12, 2014 at 5:09 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Ray, that's why he's in trouble, now.
Back then, he believed and felt the comfort of that belief.
Now, he doesn't believe and can't come back to that comfort.

THINK YOU!

This.

Yes, I think!

I have to agree with Morgan - you've been accustomed to having a coping mechanism that you no longer can depend on. Have you thought about seeing a psychologist? It's not an uncommon problem.

I remember when I deconverted officially in my heart, it was only a few months before Christmas. My family asked me if I even was going to celebrate Christmas and I said, "Why wouldn't I?". To this day I have little angel things in my house; after hiding them for awhile I came to the realization that 'I love Angels!'. I'm still me. I don't have to be anyone but me. When I think about the kids I live with, the little girls inner torment about demons and the need for Real angels--suffices to solidify in my mind how free I finally am. Protector angels are a lovely concept when you don't attach all the mindfuck to it.

I think my point with this was that you should keep your chin up, because your path has only just begun and its a little rocky at first.

(June 12, 2014 at 5:09 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Back then, he believed and felt the comfort of that belief.

But he just said that he believed that God was a lie (a "comforting lie" but still a lie), and that's why I don't see how that constitutes a genuine belief in God.

That's what I was getting at.

(June 12, 2014 at 5:45 pm)Rayaan Wrote:

(June 12, 2014 at 5:09 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Back then, he believed and felt the comfort of that belief.

But he just said that he believed that God was a lie (a "comforting lie" but still a lie), and that's why I don't see how that constitutes a genuine belief in God.

That's what I was getting at.

No, I now believe God to be a lie. Back in the day I didn't.