(June 13, 2014 at 3:03 pm)alpha male Wrote: Might be a little over the top, but I have to agree with the bolded part. Exlax accuses everyone else of logical fallacies which he commits on a regular basis himself.

Funny how you don't see fit to provide any examples.

I'm not going to pretend I never screw up with my arguments, because that'd be dumb, but come the fuck on, man: if all you're going to do is swing wild like GC, then you might as well not say anything at all. Childish sniping isn't an argument.

Oh, and thanks to the fine gents who came to my defense.

(June 13, 2014 at 8:30 pm)Lek Wrote:

(June 13, 2014 at 6:43 pm)ThomM Wrote: Among the problems with belief - is the Commandment - which is Keep Holy the Sabbath - since that was the commandment given. The same Jewish Calendar exists today as did in ancient time - and there is NO question that the Sabbath is Saturday - so what is YOUR excuse?

For the zillionth time - christians are not under the old testament law. Even the jews are no longer under the old testament law. Christ fulfilled the law for us.

So Jesus was B.S.'ing when he said Matthew 5:17-19?

(June 13, 2014 at 8:33 pm)Kitanetos Wrote:

(June 13, 2014 at 8:30 pm)Lek Wrote: For the zillionth time - christians are not under the old testament law. Even the jews are no longer under the old testament law. Christ fulfilled the law for us.

That is news to me, considering that the fictional Jesus character so much as stated that the old testament laws were to not be ignored.

The following verses illustrate that we're no longer under the old testament law. If we follow the two great commands given by Jesus we are complying with the moral requirements of the law. If you love your neighbor as yourself, you will always treat others with love and respect.

Ephesians 2:14-15
14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations.

Galatians 3:23-25
23 Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
Colossians 2:13-14

13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you[a] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.

Matthew 22:37-40
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40[b] All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

(June 13, 2014 at 8:30 pm)Lek Wrote:

(June 13, 2014 at 6:43 pm)ThomM Wrote: Among the problems with belief - is the Commandment - which is Keep Holy the Sabbath - since that was the commandment given. The same Jewish Calendar exists today as did in ancient time - and there is NO question that the Sabbath is Saturday - so what is YOUR excuse?

For the zillionth time - christians are not under the old testament law. Even the jews are no longer under the old testament law. Christ fulfilled the law for us.

Any sense of when the rest of you will finally join us in being out from under the new testament?

(June 9, 2014 at 10:59 am)Insanity Wrote: Humans can't make tree's, somebody has to make tree's therefore God. Or Bigfoot sneaking round in the woods building tree's and being all blurry. The real reason for global warming is Bigfoot being an asshole and having too much time off. I say we kidnap Bigfoot and make him work 24/7, maybe clone him too. Then we have an army of Bigfoot's fixing the planet like at asshole is meant to be doing. Then we send a team of them to the moon and mars obviously. Need to terraform that shit with tree's. I think the lock Ness monster is responsive for making water so naturally we need to get that guy too.

The idea of "faith" in itself is completely counter-intuitive and not at all inherent in human reason. With that being said one of the main reasons I joined this site was to try to find ONE theist who has the ability to be INTELLECTUALLY honest with themselves. I really want to know at what point in their lives they came to the conclusion that some bearded leprechaun has created everything and continues to play a role in the everyday life of said everything. The majority of religions make it a practice to manipulate the emotions of very young children who are still a "blank slate" to be filled with beliefs. Religions accomplish this with tales that make kids just flat scared (the fear factor) and continue by illustrating that "if you just love god" then nothing bad will happen to you and your eternity will be all butterflies and rainbows (the love factor). It's no accident that religions appeal to arguably the two strongest emotions of fear and love. I have yet to find a single theist who has the intellectual honesty to look back in their lives and check the circumstances that were attached to their indoctrination. Please pass this to your friends and hopefully at least one theist out there is intelligent enough to understand how ridiculous their faith looks to the unfaithful and can be honest enough to identify when, where and the circumstances behind their indoctrination. I would love to have a truly friendly discussion.

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(June 14, 2014 at 12:54 am)naturestubbs1 Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 10:59 am)Insanity Wrote: Humans can't make tree's, somebody has to make tree's therefore God. Or Bigfoot sneaking round in the woods building tree's and being all blurry. The real reason for global warming is Bigfoot being an asshole and having too much time off. I say we kidnap Bigfoot and make him work 24/7, maybe clone him too. Then we have an army of Bigfoot's fixing the planet like at asshole is meant to be doing. Then we send a team of them to the moon and mars obviously. Need to terraform that shit with tree's. I think the lock Ness monster is responsive for making water so naturally we need to get that guy too.

The idea of "faith" in itself is completely counter-intuitive and not at all inherent in human reason. With that being said one of the main reasons I joined this site was to try to find ONE theist who has the ability to be INTELLECTUALLY honest with themselves. I really want to know at what point in their lives they came to the conclusion that some bearded leprechaun has created everything and continues to play a role in the everyday life of said everything. The majority of religions make it a practice to manipulate the emotions of very young children who are still a "blank slate" to be filled with beliefs. Religions accomplish this with tales that make kids just flat scared (the fear factor) and continue by illustrating that "if you just love god" then nothing bad will happen to you and your eternity will be all butterflies and rainbows (the love factor). It's no accident that religions appeal to arguably the two strongest emotions of fear and love. I have yet to find a single theist who has the intellectual honesty to look back in their lives and check the circumstances that were attached to their indoctrination. Please pass this to your friends and hopefully at least one theist out there is intelligent enough to understand how ridiculous their faith looks to the unfaithful and can be honest enough to identify when, where and the circumstances behind their indoctrination. I would love to have a truly friendly discussion.

Sorry Insanity I accidentally replied to you and meant it for someone else. My bad.

(June 13, 2014 at 5:22 pm)Eye of God Wrote:

(June 13, 2014 at 5:18 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Wheres all that concern for me and my soul, lol. Honestly man, you don't like my delivery and that's okay. Some people like Richard Pryor and some like Steve Martin. The real crux here is that I have presented you with a counterclaim, a criticism of your claim, a means of demonstrating my claim both false..and examples of it's being true. In response, you have been whining at me.......

ditto.

You claim somehow that "I win and you lose" and then have the nerve to say I'm whining about it. I know of no debate anywhere that one party in the debate can simply declare themselves the winner and then call the other one names simply because he disagrees. Get over yourself chief.

When you start debating, let us know.

All you've posted so far is a lot of
Some threats about Hell

More unsupported claims, quoted some scripture, whined about how much atheists offend you,

More insults directed at atheists, some more unsupported claims and bible verses, and more complaints about being offended anyone reacted with hostility to being told they're scum who will burn in hell.

(June 9, 2014 at 9:44 am)Mr Greene Wrote: The Bible is our only evidence. It was inspired by the Creator of the universe. I need no other evidence.

Wow. You sure set the bar low for gawd. So, do you also believe in Odin? There's just as much "evidence" for him as for that monster you christers worship.

Or, are you suddenly going to start demanding evidence?

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(June 10, 2014 at 5:41 pm)Lek Wrote: The proof of the pudding is in the eating. You must experience God in order to believe in him. If you're closed to him, you won't recognize his influence on the world around you and you won't see how he has changed the lives of those who believe in him. Like I've said many times before, you can't discover the supernatural by purely natural processes. The signs are there in the structure of the universe and in living creatures, but you're blind to them, because you've limited your options in interpreting them. You don't know if the universe was created or always existed, but you're unwilling to accept anything but a scientific explanation. So far you haven't found one, but you keep searching. It could be God, but you won't open up to the possibility.

What a steaming load of shit.

Your "all-knowing," "all-powerful" gawd knows exactly what it would take to make us believe and exactly how to present it to us in a way that it will not violate our "free will." Why doesn't it do so?!? Especially if "gawd is love" and "gawd is merciful" as you ass-hats love to spout. If it's so fucking loving and merciful, why hasn't it convinced us yet?

Because it either isn't loving and merciful and wants us to burn or it simply doesn't exist. Either way, there's no reason to believe in it.

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(June 10, 2014 at 6:47 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: You can't both be right.

But, they can both be wrong.

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(June 10, 2014 at 7:28 pm)Lek Wrote: Nothing mysterious about it. You seek with him with sincerity, not looking for just what pleases yourself, but for who he really is.

Been there, done that, got the fuckin' t-shirt. Your gawd never showed.

Imagine that.

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(June 11, 2014 at 12:23 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Been there, done that. LOL - it always comes down to "you were doing it wrong". How the holy fuck would you know? Why should we believe you, take your word for it?

[emphasis is mine]

Or, "you didn't have enough faith," or "gawd moves in mysterious ways," or some other pat answer the ass-hats trot out in the vain attempt to sound like they've got a fucking clue.

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(June 11, 2014 at 1:15 pm)Godschild Wrote: Then stop trying to tell us you believed and show us what you were doing while you were a believer, details please. Many here have claimed to be former believers yet give no evidence to prove their statements, why? Are you afraid to be scrutinized by the very scriptures you once believed.

GC

Some of us have never believed. We (or at least I) just wanted to so fucking bad we could taste it. Your gawd still never showed.

(June 13, 2014 at 3:08 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Seriously?! "A little over the top?!"

Yes, seriously, a little over the top. Maybe not even that. If the same things were said by an atheist toward a theist, no one would have blinked.

Quote:Lets see how partisan we're going to be here. AM, you tell me if you think GC's comment above is in line with the scriptures I offered

I'm not going back to look, but it would be easy to find Scriptures with which such comments are not in line. But, they're not the only Scriptures. Consider Jesus' woes to the Pharisees, or Paul suggesting that his opponents cut their balls off.

Quote:and I'll tell you if I think esquilax is guilty of a logical fallacy (you'll have to find one).

You're confusing me for someone who cares about your opinion.

(June 13, 2014 at 8:30 pm)Lek Wrote: For the zillionth time - christians are not under the old testament law. Even the jews are no longer under the old testament law. Christ fulfilled the law for us.

Bullshit. Have you read your own book of fairy tales?

in Da Buy-bull, gawd Wrote:James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

1 John 3:4
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.

Matthew 5:
18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20"For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Haven't see heaven and earth passing away yet, so you better quit eating pork and shrimp and start stoning gays and killing rebellious children 'cause the OT law is still in full force.

(June 14, 2014 at 2:28 am)alpha male Wrote: Yes, seriously, a little over the top. Maybe not even that. If the same things were said by an atheist toward a theist, no one would have blinked.

I though Christians held themselves to a "better" standard.