(June 13, 2014 at 5:18 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

(June 13, 2014 at 5:09 pm)Eye of God Wrote: I'm unconcerned with the way you feel. I've been insulted since I arrived.

Wheres all that concern for me and my soul, lol. Honestly man, you don't like my delivery and that's okay. Some people like Richard Pryor and some like Steve Martin. The real crux here is that I have presented you with a counterclaim, a criticism of your claim, a means of demonstrating my claim both false..and examples of it's being true. In response, you have been whining at me.......

ditto.

You claim somehow that "I win and you lose" and then have the nerve to say I'm whining about it. I know of no debate anywhere that one party in the debate can simply declare themselves the winner and then call the other one names simply because he disagrees. Get over yourself chief.

Well, this just wont do...would you like for me to link you posts in this very thread that establish both my claims..and my claims about my claims(lol)? Or is this the end...my friend.

I have asked you for your rebuttal (multiple times), I layed it out for you, because I'm committed to this conversation.

(June 10, 2014 at 12:06 am)Eye of God Wrote: [quote='Severan' pid='684414' dateline='1402320224']
Here's a question for every theist and creationist out there.

What evidence or arguments do you have for a god?

The Bible is our only evidence. It was inspired by the Creator of the universe. I need no other evidence.

Quote:As far as I've seen, we've been able to refute nearly all the arguments and rationalize all of the evidence you have. Do you have any legitimate support for the 'god' you claim?

The burden of proof only lies on me if I am bringing the message to you. You are the one demanding the answers.

[quote]It's obvious that theists have made the claim that there is a 'god' or some higher power. There are hundreds of religions. Each one is a claim to be the true belief. Religion is claiming a deity.

Yet despite this, theists fight tooth and nail to shift the burden of proof to atheists. We are just skeptics. Until any religion provides evidence for a claim, we must assume that god does not exist.

Assume all you want. God will not accept your excuses.

Quote:So, really. Don't give me 'bible verses' or already refuted arguments and call it evidence. Give me some real evidence that your god exists. If you can't find any, that's because it really doesn't.

If you've already made up your mind, than stop asking pointless questions.
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You are the one making pointless statements

It has already been established that the entire bible was writen by humans - and it should therefore be complete - and perfect - and it is NOT - of the god is claimed to be perfect - and REMEMBER - the ONE true god of the bible is the Jewish god - and they are HIS commandments of YOU believe the bible. There is no place in the bible where the christ claimed to be a god in those words.

Among the problems with belief - is the Commandment - which is Keep Holy the Sabbath - since that was the commandment given. The same Jewish Calendar exists today as did in ancient time - and there is NO question that the Sabbath is Saturday - so what is YOUR excuse?


However - how do YOU know what a god will or will not accept - you have no basis for that claim. Unless you can PROVE you have direct knowledge - you are just making up another piece of nonsense.

(June 13, 2014 at 6:43 pm)ThomM Wrote: Among the problems with belief - is the Commandment - which is Keep Holy the Sabbath - since that was the commandment given. The same Jewish Calendar exists today as did in ancient time - and there is NO question that the Sabbath is Saturday - so what is YOUR excuse?

For the zillionth time - christians are not under the old testament law. Even the jews are no longer under the old testament law. Christ fulfilled the law for us.

(June 13, 2014 at 8:30 pm)Lek Wrote: For the zillionth time - christians are not under the old testament law. Even the jews are no longer under the old testament law. Christ fulfilled the law for us.

That is news to me, considering that the fictional Jesus character so much as stated that the old testament laws were to not be ignored.

(June 13, 2014 at 8:30 pm)Lek Wrote: For the zillionth time - christians are not under the old testament law. Even the jews are no longer under the old testament law. Christ fulfilled the law for us.

Sweet, so anything not directly railed against by ole JC is kosher now. Does this mean that a christian male can now happily suck cock without fear of being held up by any OT bullshit?

(June 13, 2014 at 8:30 pm)Lek Wrote:

(June 13, 2014 at 6:43 pm)ThomM Wrote: Among the problems with belief - is the Commandment - which is Keep Holy the Sabbath - since that was the commandment given. The same Jewish Calendar exists today as did in ancient time - and there is NO question that the Sabbath is Saturday - so what is YOUR excuse?

For the zillionth time - christians are not under the old testament law. Even the jews are no longer under the old testament law. Christ fulfilled the law for us.

Then drop your fucking pretentious 10 Commandments, forget that shitty creation story, and stop persecuting gays and atheists.

(June 13, 2014 at 8:33 pm)Kitanetos Wrote:

(June 13, 2014 at 8:30 pm)Lek Wrote: For the zillionth time - christians are not under the old testament law. Even the jews are no longer under the old testament law. Christ fulfilled the law for us.

That is news to me, considering that the fictional Jesus character so much as stated that the old testament laws were to not be ignored.

Yeah, this bit is quibbled over constantly;

Matthew 5:17-18 Wrote:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Some Christians like to say that Jesus fulfilled the law, and that it is no longer binding, while others prefer to think it's still in effect. In my experience it's whatever suits their purposes for that moment in time.

(June 13, 2014 at 9:37 pm)Starvald Demelain Wrote: In my experience it's whatever suits their purposes for that moment in time.

Indeed.

(June 13, 2014 at 1:25 pm)Eye of God Wrote:

(June 13, 2014 at 1:23 pm)Rhythm Wrote: If that was it's purpose, it could easily be imagined how constantly avoiding conflict would make for a much unhappier and shittier existence than confronting ones problems would, head on so to speak. I don't think that this is a very useful guideline at all.

The lack of aggression is always useful. I think you're twisting my words/the words of Paul in order to make your point.:-/

Which words were Paul's again? He wrote maybe 7 books in the bible, if that many, out of 14 attributed to him, and the authorship of those letters is also disputed.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle