I'm done also, thank you everyone, no hard feeling.

(June 20, 2014 at 6:21 pm)psychoslice Wrote: I don't respect their beliefs also, but that is no reason to treat others like shit, and when shit is thrown at me I throw it back, yes that's all I expect is respect, but that doesn't happen here very much. I have been on a few religious forums and they respect others far more than this so called atheist forum ever could.

You might have earned more respect if you shook it off more than throwing it back, though.

But on the up side, I really liked your Mental Art. They're terrific.

Agree ... You are very talented and creative.

Sometimes, I feel that my left side of my brain blugeoned my right side into submission using logic, and my weaker passive side succumb.

This is why I feel I have no reason to bite back when someone says something personally derogatory.
I live my life by one rule:

You can only be hurt by those you love...those you've invested in.
Replying back to negative comments is only an ego defense mechanism and mine is alive and well and chained up in the basement.... It only comes out when a ricer pulls up next to my mustang!
Hey, I never said I was deep! He he

Good luck with everything bud.
Keep that art flowing...

(June 13, 2014 at 11:22 am)Rhythm Wrote: ..and yet here we are, still busy trying to reverse engineer them...nearly half a decade after we got them to work in the first place.

Kinda makes me think of the Egyptian pyramids of Giza. Seems they also forgot how to build them because the ones that came after weren't as good.

I'm not sure what to think of the moon landing myself. I do have a conspiracy theory background myself. But that was before becoming a sceptic. An interesting thing I'm noticing in this thread is the mentioning of evidence. Photograph this, photograph that. These are photos taken by NASA who claims to have been on the moon. Isn't this slightly circular since we have powerful tools like photo editing programs? There's a reason why even video evidence is not always admissible in court.

Now this is not to say the landing didn't happen. I'm undecided on that. I'd accept it if an independent third party like China were to confirm the claims of NASA backed up by snaps of their own.

This thread is particularly interesting in that it is a microcosm of what happens elsewhere in this site. X happened and we have our bible to prove that. Y happened and we have our photos to prove it. What I haven't seen is a demonstration of why we can place such confidence on pictures that couldn't possible be tampered with. I don't know, I'm just making an observation.

I can't understand how anyone can still be undecided about this?? There's a fucking mirror on the moon that you can shoot a laser beam off! It's a provable, repeatable experiment. Barring all the other evidence we went to the moon, photoshopped pictures can't explain that.

(June 21, 2014 at 6:07 am)BlackMason Wrote: What I haven't seen is a demonstration of why we can place such confidence on pictures that couldn't possible be tampered with. I don't know, I'm just making an observation.

I'm no expert, but I understand that photo editing software leaves telltale fingerprints in the coding of the image itself or something along those lines. But that doesn't even matter. What is it about the photos that would even require tampering? Diverging shadows? Airbrushed stars? Misplaced fill lighting?

The official conspiracy line is that the landing(s) was/were filmed on a studio set. As I've already mentioned, this would require a set to be built that doesn't simply look like a generic lunar landscape - hell, a good 90% of classic Doctor Who was filmed in a quarry - but actually simulates conditons on the Moon. In the first place it would have to be large enough that the depth of field would be correct. I'm using my mobile right now, but when I can I'll try to find the video footage of two astronauts moonwalking to a background mountain. If you just look at a still screenshot, the mountain appears like a small hill in the middle distance. As the video plays out, the true scale is revealed as the astronauts get smaller and smaller with distance.

Another video shows the LM taking off from the site and heading off to rendezvous with the CSM. The camera tilts to follow the vehicle. As the Hoax Believers have it, the module rises only so far before the camera can capture it bumping into the studio ceiling; unfortunately, the full footage shows the module continuing to rise, getting smaller as it does so, and arcing away to the horizon.

So, then, we are presented with a set so large it has no appreciable ceiling and can accomodate a mountain at something like half a mile from the camera. The film You Only Live Twice featured what was, for the mid sixties, the largest set ever built, to house the interior of Blofeld's volcano lair (the site is now occupied by the famous 007 soundstage) and could be seen from three miles away. Cinematographer Freddie Young expressed concerns that the set would be impossible to light properly; and they had the benefit of not having to worry about shadows - remember, multiple lights equals multiple shadows, not one shadow for each object in the frame, as the HB's want to assert.

So now we have a set larger than anything ever constructed, lit by a single primary source simulating the Sun, with the landscape itself acting as a reflective fill light. Analysis of every moving object in all the footage, from the astronauts themselves to every particle of dust, reveals that a) nothing moves until and unless touched by an astronaut and b) everything moves in a parabolic fashion, both indicating a vacuum and reduced gravity. So now our set needs to be in a decompression chamber, requiring technology that we still don't have in order to build one that large. All this also needs to be in an aircraft similar to the Vomit Comet, which can replicate such zero- and micro-gravity for training purposes (and in which, famously, the space scenes in the movie Apollo 13 were filmed, in about ten second bursts followed by equal periods of positive gravity as the aircraft performed the required parabolic manoeuvres). This needs, obviously, an aircraft large enough to accomodate the decompression chamber, its power source and equipment, the set and all its accessories, and also needs to be able to get off the ground at all, never mind fly and manoeuvre safely. ETA: Also, it would need to fly in such a way as to allow for filming at many minutes at a time, something the Vomit Comet cannot do.[/edit]

Quite apart from all that, we also have literally tons of lunar material that was brought back, not least of which was accidental dust contamination of the astronauts' suits. While HB's will point to the very real fact that Moon rocks in the form of meteorites have been retrieved from the Antarctic, what they don't tell you is that it was only due to the rocks brought back from the Moon that the meteorites were recognised as lunar in origin at all. Not to mention that the meteorite material shows clear evidence of having passed at speed through our atmosphere, which the material retrieved from the Moon does not.

Tell me when you want me to stop.

(June 21, 2014 at 6:18 am)jmccool80 Wrote: I can't understand how anyone can still be undecided about this?? There's a fucking mirror on the moon that you can shoot a laser beam off! It's a provable, repeatable experiment. Barring all the other evidence we went to the moon, photoshopped pictures can't explain that.

How can we be sure that it wasn't a robot that put that there?

To what purpose?

Apart from which, that's a shifting of the burden of proof.

(June 21, 2014 at 9:37 am)BlackMason Wrote: How can we be sure that it wasn't a robot that put that there?

Because that would be more difficult than just sending people to do it? Why fake something by doing something more complicated?? It doesn't make any sense.

Er, Stimbo, you wouldn't need a decompression chamber. I believe the allegation is that it was shot at normal earth gravity. A little video editing makes for the lower-gravity-look authentic by slowing it down. Speed up the video and it looks like they're in an environment that mimics the earths gravity.

Anyway I think it is reasonable to believe man landed on the moon.