(June 21, 2014 at 7:59 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Suppose a supreme being (aka "God") does exist and when it shows up it says that it only cares about bacteria. Would you worship it?

I absolutely reject god and deity. . . 0% belief.
I only believe in a Book and the system in it.

(June 21, 2014 at 8:18 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote:

(June 21, 2014 at 7:59 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Suppose a supreme being (aka "God") does exist and when it shows up it says that it only cares about bacteria. Would you worship it?

I absolutely reject god and deity. . . 0% belief.
I only believe in a Book and the system in it.

Then you are not Muslim.

(June 21, 2014 at 7:06 pm)LostLocke Wrote: Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but that condition wouldn't make any sense.

Read for yourself. . .

(June 21, 2014 at 6:39 pm)Esquilax Wrote: However, if you ask an atheist whether or not it's impossible that a god exists, the answer could be a yes, no, maybe, pretty much anything.

Therefore. . .

Whether it is impossible that a god exists
Whether it is possible that a god exists
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The assumption here is "god exists",
ie. it is the "subject matter" or "facts of the discussion"
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The "possibility" is the issue, it is not the "subject matter" or "facts of the discussion"
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Therefore. . .

(June 21, 2014 at 7:00 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: The contention that starts with a question "whether or not it's impossible that a god exists", is based on the assumption that "god exists", and the issue he raises is whether it is possible that god doesn't exits at all.

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(June 21, 2014 at 8:19 pm)Losty Wrote: Then you are not Muslim.

Nope. . I am a Muslim, the Quran says Allah is not God or Deity. . and no one knows what is Allah.
It is Shirk to believe Allah is "equivalent" to God or Deity, "duality", even though it is forgiven.
And Muslim is about "obedience", it is not about "faith" (Believers)

Muslim is an Arabic word that means, one who submits to God. If you don't believe in any god then you are not a Muslim.

(June 21, 2014 at 8:41 pm)Losty Wrote: Muslim is an Arabic word that means, one who submits to God. If you don't believe in any god then you are not a Muslim.

Submit means submitting to the system of life in the Quran, the "Deen" of Islam, ie. the practical aspect of life.
It is impossible to submit to Allah because no one knows what is Allah, and none is equivalent to Allah.
Muslims must not have any idea or any concept at all about Allah, it is "duality" . . "God" is "duality", and "duality" is "shirk".

(June 21, 2014 at 8:45 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote:

(June 21, 2014 at 8:41 pm)Losty Wrote: Muslim is an Arabic word that means, one who submits to God. If you don't believe in any god then you are not a Muslim.

Submit means submitting to the system of life in the Quran, the "Deen" of Islam, ie. the practical aspect of life.
It is impossible to submit to Allah because no one knows what is Allah, and none is equivalent to Allah.
Muslims must not have any idea or any concept at all about Allah, it is "duality" . . "God" is "duality", and "duality" is "shirk".

Crunch crunch crunch

This is duality

God - Islam - Allah
God - Hindu
God - Christianity
God - . . .
God - . . .
God - . . .
God - . . .

and Allah is one of the true God from all the above Gods ?

This is "duality". . it is "Shirk" (forgiven)

Say, "He is Allah , One (none other than Him, only He exists)
Allah , the Indivisible (not bound by space, no interior, no exterior, no center, not even space etc)
He neither begets nor is born,
Nor is there to Him any equivalent. (no concept at all that is equal Allah, no one knows)
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So. I reject God and Deity.

(June 21, 2014 at 8:24 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote:

(June 21, 2014 at 7:06 pm)LostLocke Wrote: Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but that condition wouldn't make any sense.

Read for yourself. . .

I did, but I'm still not getting it or making the connection.

OK, to make this simple, I'll ask a basic yes or no question.

Are you saying that to discuss the possibility of a god existing, I would already need to believe that this god exists?

(June 21, 2014 at 9:02 pm)LostLocke Wrote: I did, but I'm still not getting it or making the connection.

OK, to make this simple, I'll ask a basic yes or no question.

Are you saying that to discuss the possibility of a god existing, I would already need to believe that this god exists?

The "possibility" is the "issue"
"God exists" is the "subject matter"
The "subject matter" (god exists) must be existed before anyone can raise the issue "whether or not it's impossible that a god exists"

For example. . .

whether or not it's impossible John kill a man

The "possibility" of killing or not is the "issue"
"John kill a man" and the "act of killing" is the "subject matter", "facts of discussion"
Therefore, before the "possibility" of murder arises, "John" must first be existed, the accused must be existed.
People cannot discuss the possibility if there is no "subject matter". The possibility of what ?

(June 21, 2014 at 8:59 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote:

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This is duality

God - Islam - Allah
God - Hindu
God - Christianity
God - . . .
God - . . .
God - . . .
God - . . .

and Allah is one of the true God from all the above Gods ?

This is "duality". . it is "Shirk" (forgiven)

Say, "He is Allah , One (none other than Him, only He exists)
Allah , the Indivisible (not bound by space, no interior, no exterior, no center, not even space etc)
He neither begets nor is born,
Nor is there to Him any equivalent. (no concept at all that is equal Allah, no one knows)
112

So. I reject God and Deity.

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Then you are not a Muslim.