(June 22, 2014 at 9:46 am)Muslim Atheism Wrote: and God is used in the Quran because it is human terms, for human understanding. However, the Quran has a "interpretation provision" for Allah, the same way we have The Interpretation Act, and Allah is not "God" , and no one knows what is Allah. That's how the Quran is structure.

I'm having a go at figuring out what you mean.

Allah is beyond human understanding and unknowable. The label 'God' is just a label and humans shouldn't mistake the label for reality. We shouldn't project human characteristics and motivations onto the unknowable either.

Yes, it is for human understanding. .
Not to mention that we can understand Allah, we can't even understand ourselves or our bodies etc, or even flies . . so much to explore.
So. I don't think human beings are able to understand what is Allah, it is futile. .
and we have to accept that our brain is small to understand everything

Therefore, there is no "direct evidence", and there will not be one . .
What we can do is to based our decision on what is available, from the "corroborative and circumstantial evidence", and then choose our path. . that's it.

(June 22, 2014 at 9:46 am)Muslim Atheism Wrote:

(June 22, 2014 at 9:35 am)Irrational Wrote: In the first video, he is arguing that the English word "God" is not a fair translation for Allah because in the English language the word "god" is played around with a lot. He is not saying that Allah is not God in concept. Rather, the word "God" itself is not as special as the word "Allah".

That's the point, it is "duality" but none is equivalent to Allah. . even "ideas" or "concepts" . . . it is Shirk (forgiven)

No, that's not what he was saying. Muslims, in general, believe Allah is God in concept. You don't.

(June 22, 2014 at 9:58 am)Muslim Atheism Wrote:

(June 22, 2014 at 9:51 am)LostLocke Wrote: "Is there a house?"

House is the subject. What's the problem?
There is no logical issue here.

You don't have the "subject matter", therefore, there is no "possibility". . .

What is you are "denying" or "confirming" ?

"House" is the subject matter.
"House" is what I'm asking for confirmation of.
That's what the question "Is there a house?" means.

This is basic grammar. At least in English it is, so maybe it doesn't translate to your native language.

(June 22, 2014 at 6:15 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: Yes, it is for human understanding. .
Not to mention that we can understand Allah, we can't even understand ourselves or our bodies etc, or even flies . . so much to explore.
So. I don't think human beings are able to understand what is Allah, it is futile. .
and we have to accept that our brain is small to understand everything

Therefore, there is no "direct evidence", and there will not be one . .
What we can do is to based our decision on what is available, from the "corroborative and circumstantial evidence", and then choose our path. . that's it.

What corroborative and circumstantial evidence? I sure haven't seen any worth talking about. So choosing not to head down the path to Allah is easy.

(June 22, 2014 at 8:16 pm)Jenny A Wrote: I sure haven't seen any worth talking about. So choosing not to head down the path to Allah is easy.

That is best for you. I believe it doesn't matter which path you choose.
You can be an Atheist, Buddhist, Christian, Taoism, Hinduist . . no problem at all.

Quote:To each of you We prescribed a law and a method
Had Allah willed <- meaning, Allah had not willed for one system of life (religion etc), and I acknowledge Allah's will.
He would have made you one nation
5.48

Quote:So is it other than the deen of Allah they desire
while to Him have Islam (أَسْلَمَ)
those within the heavens and earth (ie. everything)
willingly or by compulsion
and to Him they will be returned?
3.83

The real issue is not about "religion" or "label", but who and what you really are.

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(June 22, 2014 at 8:08 pm)LostLocke Wrote: "House" is the subject matter.
"House" is what I'm asking for confirmation of.
That's what the question "Is there a house?" means.

Confirm what?

You have "no belief" . . . no "subject matter", something "meaningless"

unless. . you acknowledge that "god exists", ie. which means both must be existed in your belief. . .

1. There is no God
2. There is God

(both existed and it this the issue and subject matter of "possibility")

Therefore, part of you . .

> > Believe in God.

and for you to create the "possibility" there is no god, ie. to counter your believe or confirmation that there is "no god".

Else, it is "meaningless". . Be invisible.

No Belief = No Existence. . . and therefore "No Argument"

(similarly, the jury who does not make any decision is not a jury, they are like people at large. . no decision for consideration of the Court and they are not important, meaningless)

Does anyone have a translator for Muslim Atheism? I can't be the only one that has no idea what he's saying, ever.

(June 23, 2014 at 10:04 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Does anyone have a translator for Muslim Atheism? I can't be the only one that has no idea what he's saying, ever.

Defending a comic book is easy, just make shit up as you go along and when called on contradictions move the goal posts. Rinse and repeat.

There is no Bigfoot.

There. I just proved the truth of Bigfoot.

No?

That's where I was going to go next Luckie.

Is it possible Zeus exists?
To say that, Zeus must exist. So I hope you are worshiping Zeus properly MA or he'll get mighty pissed at you.

Is it possible Sauron exists?
Is it possible Cthulhu exists?
Is it possible Tiamat exists?

According to MA, by asking all these questions, all these things must already exist.