Guys, why would you seriously expect a rational response from people who have been indoctrinated by irrational beliefs.
They haven't got time to help anybody, they're too busy quoting the bible.
Pathetic insignificant hypocrits.

(June 30, 2014 at 1:48 am)Rhythm Wrote: You're sounding the trumpets to retreat while simultaneously doubling down on the exact form of claim in question. I don't see any barriers to faith in this conversation -beyond your inability to communicate whatever happened to you in a cogent manner. It is impossible, fucking impossible man....to have a conversation with a person who - having been confronted with the contradictory or self-defeating nature of their own statements - fails to modify those statements so as to make them intelligible. I can't figure out what you're trying to express because your explanations are cancelling each other out. Understand?

Its all there man. But you don't get it. You never will....

.... you look for questions in answers.

If something "works", whatever it is, you do it. It won't work for you because you have no Faith, or belief in God. You don't even have a basic understanding of what He is! Understand?

Here is a question for you: If you can't see something, can it still have an effect on you?

Typical Christian retardation:

DON'T THINK. JUST DO.

"Here is a question for you: If you can't see something, can it still have an effect on you?"

Of course it can, I'm sure millions of Jews didn't see the mustard gas coming.
Will you at least acknowledge that everything you know and feel about god could exist exclusively in your mind?
If you can't or don't want to acknowledge this fact, then will you accept that you refuse to acknowledge this fact?

Do you now see where clear logical reasoning breaks down.
It's always been a paradox. A brain washed person can never know he is brainwashed, otherwise he wouldn't be brainwashed. If we believe in a flying spaghetti monster god, wouldn't you think we were stupid?
This is how we all feel towards all gods. Irrespective of what they look like.

(June 30, 2014 at 2:45 am)BlackMason Wrote:

(June 26, 2014 at 4:29 pm)ronedee Wrote: But, if Jesus' words are correct, "the Kingdom is found within"..... what is needed to find it? FAITH. And "IF" indeed it does work for those who have it....

Well when will you know that you've found it? I think your whole position is unfalsifiable and therefore you resort to faith. When does faith cross the rubicon and become reason. In other words when will you have the evidence that you have found the kingdom of god? Also you need to have an idea of what kind of evidence you are looking for. Otherwise you may prematurely conclude you have found said kingdom.

Also what I would like to know is those who claim faith works for them, how do they know it is the faith and not something else?

I don't care what anyone THINKS! I'm not looking for a slap on the back, or to make you guys believe anything! I'm stating my gathered statistics.

I'll try to appeal to your logic here!

When things happen outside the realm of the ordinary, how do you respond? And, when said events happen repeatedly?

As a logical person, you want to: figure it out, you want to name it, you want to find its source; You want to defeat the possiblity of chance. You want to [rule out] anything you can't explain.

Correct?

When you [can't] explain it, what then? What do YOU do with it?

Hypothetical here: If you went a certain way to work every morning and and one day went a different route..... and didn't get one red traffic light....would you drive that way again? Or would you just say it was chance and continue on your old route?

I'll answer for you... that you would indeed do it again! The next time you got all green lights again! And most EVERYTIME you went that way you got "mostly" green lights!

1. Would you go back to your old route?
2. Would you sit down and analyze the "real" reasons why?
3. Would you keep going that way?

You see, I've found that route w/ all green lights. And whether or not you call it funky law of averages, or some straining logical reasoning about how I leave the exact time for work everyday...... I keep getting the green lights!

And I just happen to be a Christian! So, as you and the others pointed out.... its very convenient! I don't need to analze squat!

The "old route" is done for me! You can wait at the red lights.

(June 30, 2014 at 5:40 pm)ronedee Wrote: When you [can't] explain it, what then? What do YOU do with it?

I admit that I can't explain it. I don't then go on to attribute it to a god because that's what I'd like the explanation to be.

If you can't explain something, you've got no justification for attributing an unfalsifiable cause to it.

(June 30, 2014 at 5:38 pm)ignoramus Wrote: "Here is a question for you: If you can't see something, can it still have an effect on you?"

Of course it can, I'm sure millions of Jews didn't see the mustard gas coming.
Will you at least acknowledge that everything you know and feel about god could exist exclusively in your mind?
If you can't or don't want to acknowledge this fact, then will you accept that you refuse to acknowledge this fact?

Do you now see where clear logical reasoning breaks down.
It's always been a paradox. A brain washed person can never know he is brainwashed, otherwise he wouldn't be brainwashed. If we believe in a flying spaghetti monster god, wouldn't you think we were stupid?
This is how we all feel towards all gods. Irrespective of what they look like.

LOL! Why would I acknowledge that bs?

That's akin to being an atheist! Or denoucing my Faith!

NO! Brainwashed is what you are. Brainwashed into beliveing ONLY what you see!

You comment on things you have no knowledge of... yet you have the gumption to say they don't exist... but in my mind!

"Ignoramus" is perfect!

IF you were a real atheist... you wouldn't be here wasting time trying to convince yourself their aint a God!

Your hero Dawkins has said he wouldn't waste a breath on a Christian!

You've already wasted a whole windbag worth of them!

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(June 30, 2014 at 5:53 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(June 30, 2014 at 5:40 pm)ronedee Wrote: When you [can't] explain it, what then? What do YOU do with it?

I admit that I can't explain it. I don't then go on to attribute it to a god because that's what I'd like the explanation to be.

If you can't explain something, you've got no justification for attributing an unfalsifiable cause to it.

I know, I know..... because there is no God...Right? Couldn't be a supreme being out there somewhere!

We can't see it... right?

Well......Do you believe in life on another planet, in another galaxy?

Fancy answering my question Ron? How come God answers your prayers but not the prayers of 26000 people a day who starve to death. Too busy helping first world folk find car keys or win at sports or does he like you better than the people who starve?

So you know for a fact that god is absolute without question.
Guys, isn't that clinical insanity?

(June 30, 2014 at 6:02 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Fancy answering my question Ron? How come God answers your prayers but not the prayers of 26000 people a day who starve to death. Too busy helping first world folk find car keys or win at sports or does he like you better than the people who starve?

Whats stopping YOU from helping them? Even a few?

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(June 30, 2014 at 6:02 pm)ignoramus Wrote: So you know for a fact that god is absolute without question.
Guys, isn't that clinical insanity?

And you know there isn't... w/o a doubt? What's that called?

Or do you need the "Guys" to help you with that answer too?