(July 22, 2014 at 11:26 pm)alexwenzel Wrote:

(July 22, 2014 at 11:24 pm)Beccs Wrote: As opposed to, "Magic skyman did done it!"

I'll take the real world over your fantasy one.

Well, let's agree then that we are both stupid and go to sleep

I'm not calling you stupid, just deliberately ignorant.

Me? I'm not stupid.

Quote:Proof of a intelligent designer is out there

You keep saying that.....but you are significantly short on the follow through.

Bullshit artists usually are.

(July 22, 2014 at 11:29 pm)Jenny A Wrote:

(July 22, 2014 at 11:26 pm)alexwenzel Wrote: Well, let's agree then that we are both stupid and go to sleep

Sorry, can't agree with any of that but the it's bed time part. One of us is being stupid and suggesting peace won't fix him.

Peace on you my friend. Time will tell

Good night

(July 22, 2014 at 11:31 pm)alexwenzel Wrote: Peace on you my friend. Time will tell

Good night

*sigh*

(July 22, 2014 at 10:01 pm)alexwenzel Wrote: I refuse. I could be putting other posts and links and then you will put another one and will go on forever. Proof of a intelligent designer is out there, just have to look for and use your common sense. Its called evolution theory for a reason. Its only a theory and what they claim to be proof are full of holes and lies.

Of course you refuse! You couldn't have your brand of scientifically illiterate denialism without also coupling it with rank dishonesty and a complete refusal to take responsibility for the things you say! I was just making a point, which you aptly aided me in demonstrating: you are a liar who cares more about winning the argument than factual accuracy.

Because I wasn't talking about your intelligent design ramblings, and I wasn't talking about evolution. I was talking about the specific claims you made on page five, the ones where you claimed one thing, and then I was able to post proof that the opposite was true. I'm talking about things that you said that were demonstrably, factually incorrect, and I was asking you to admit to your error so that we could move on in a spirit of honesty and respect for factual accuracy. That simple. You said something wrong, and I wanted to see whether you'd even accept the fact that you could say something wrong here.

But I knew you wouldn't. Creationism of this stripe requires the kind of arrogance and utter childishness you've been showing over the past couple of pages, where admitting that you were wrong is a form of weakness, and pride in ignorance is an acceptable thing to have.

I mean, honestly: "It's just a theory!" You ought to be ashamed of yourself, but that your buffoonery has made you completely shameless.

After reading through alexwenzel's posts, my only reaction to all of the leaps of logic and fallacies is:

(July 22, 2014 at 11:38 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(July 22, 2014 at 10:01 pm)alexwenzel Wrote: I refuse. I could be putting other posts and links and then you will put another one and will go on forever. Proof of a intelligent designer is out there, just have to look for and use your common sense. Its called evolution theory for a reason. Its only a theory and what they claim to be proof are full of holes and lies.

Of course you refuse! You couldn't have your brand of scientifically illiterate denialism without also coupling it with rank dishonesty and a complete refusal to take responsibility for the things you say! I was just making a point, which you aptly aided me in demonstrating: you are a liar who cares more about winning the argument than factual accuracy.

Because I wasn't talking about your intelligent design ramblings, and I wasn't talking about evolution. I was talking about the specific claims you made on page five, the ones where you claimed one thing, and then I was able to post proof that the opposite was true. I'm talking about things that you said that were demonstrably, factually incorrect, and I was asking you to admit to your error so that we could move on in a spirit of honesty and respect for factual accuracy. That simple. You said something wrong, and I wanted to see whether you'd even accept the fact that you could say something wrong here.

But I knew you wouldn't. Creationism of this stripe requires the kind of arrogance and utter childishness you've been showing over the past couple of pages, where admitting that you were wrong is a form of weakness, and pride in ignorance is an acceptable thing to have.

I mean, honestly: "It's just a theory!" You ought to be ashamed of yourself, but that your buffoonery has made you completely shameless.

would be so easy to find a link to disprove that all your links were incorrect. They were full of lies. So I didn't post a link to disprove you, because that was my exact point! It won't matter to you! You will still believe on your little link because that's what you want to believe, it's your bible! The argument would be pointless! You are the one who doesn't get it! You don't care about my beliefs and I don't care about yours. It is not that I don't have proofs, it is just because i don't want to argue with you. But you keep trying to get something out of me dude

(July 22, 2014 at 11:22 pm)alexwenzel Wrote:

(July 22, 2014 at 11:11 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Let's start again.
Step 1.
Is science "real" to you?
Is the toothbrush you use in the morning real or does your belief make it real?
We ask for the same common sense approach to reality as you demand of us.

Unless you live in a reality where science is just another black art.

If I was to quote many scientists of yours they would say "that tooth brush is an illusion" --- there is no common sense on your reality... maybe if they throw in multiverse, or illusion of reality, or computer simulation it will all make sense

What you have mentioned are all real possibilities.
Science cannot and will not discount any hypothesis unless there is evidence to do so. Would you at least acknowledge that that posibility is there no matter how small?
If yes, then congratulations, you are an agnostic theist!

Now at least you've got one foot in reality and only one in the clouds...

(July 22, 2014 at 11:54 pm)alexwenzel Wrote: would be so easy to find a link to disprove that all your links were incorrect. They were full of lies. So I didn't post a link to disprove you, because that was my exact point! It won't matter to you! You will still believe on your little link because that's what you want to believe, it's your bible! The argument would be pointless! You are the one who doesn't get it! You don't care about my beliefs and I don't care about yours. It is not that I don't have proofs, it is just because i don't want to argue with you. But you keep trying to get something out of me dude

So now this is what you're reduced to? "I could prove you wrong... I just don't want to!" You're acting like a child.

And this isn't a matter of beliefs, Alex. This is a matter of what can be demonstrated to be factual: you claimed that no positive mutations have ever been observed. I was able to post a link to a study wherein scientists were able to get bacteria to mutate, in a lab, to be able to digest nylon. They couldn't in the initial sample, but at the end of several breeding generations, they could. You were wrong, and the only thing you've been able to come back with is "no, you're wrong! I don't have to show it though!"

Grow up. You're not engaged in debate right now. You're just being ridiculous. And stop accusing me of being as close minded as you are; evidence could change my mind quite easily. Your utter failure, and refusal, to furnish me with any isn't somehow my fault.

And to make matters worse, you just had to come back and deface my fiancee's thread devoted to factual science to do it.

Berkeley and Harvard are always my favorite sources for evolution!!

You're a nice person for doing this because honestly, I believe the answers reside in Google if one chooses to be objective about their search so I would not so willingly do their work for them.

But then again, I'm sure we can always be the bigger person and do what you just did. Way to go

BTW, I too was raised in a small Christian town, I was apart of the ever so true church of Mormonism.