As they say, Jesus had two Dads and He turned out ok.

(July 26, 2014 at 1:41 pm)Rabb Allah Wrote: Leviticus 20:13 "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."

If you can dodge this verse then you should be hired as a lawyer because your Hermeneutical skills must be out of this world.

Here we go.
The word is 'abomination'. An abomination is not a moral wrong, it's a cultural taboo. In this case, an ancient Hebrew cultural taboo.

(July 26, 2014 at 10:42 am)Blackout Wrote: Does it make any sense at all? Why would an homosexual subscribe to a religion that considers his sexual behaviour as immoral and sinful, taking into account sexual orientation is a central part of most people's lives?

In a phrase, youthful programming. By the time a person realizes that they're gay, they've already been programmed to believe in god and the religion.

(July 27, 2014 at 7:45 am)Purplundy Wrote:

(July 26, 2014 at 1:41 pm)Rabb Allah Wrote: Leviticus 20:13 "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."

If you can dodge this verse then you should be hired as a lawyer because your Hermeneutical skills must be out of this world.

Here we go.
The word is 'abomination'. An abomination is not a moral wrong, it's a cultural taboo. In this case, an ancient Hebrew cultural taboo.

An abomination is not a cultural taboo, it's at least immoral and maybe even a crime. It's a too strong word to simply mean cultural taboo

(July 27, 2014 at 12:00 pm)Blackout Wrote:

(July 27, 2014 at 7:45 am)Purplundy Wrote: Here we go.
The word is 'abomination'. An abomination is not a moral wrong, it's a cultural taboo. In this case, an ancient Hebrew cultural taboo.

An abomination is not a cultural taboo, it's at least immoral and maybe even a crime. It's a too strong word to simply mean cultural taboo

You know, like planting 2 different kinds of seeds in the same pot.

(July 27, 2014 at 1:21 pm)vorlon13 Wrote:

(July 27, 2014 at 12:00 pm)Blackout Wrote: An abomination is not a cultural taboo, it's at least immoral and maybe even a crime. It's a too strong word to simply mean cultural taboo

You know, like planting 2 different kinds of seeds in the same pot.

You could try being more precise.

Shatnez is the precise term, as I recall.

(July 27, 2014 at 12:00 pm)Blackout Wrote: An abomination is not a cultural taboo, it's at least immoral and maybe even a crime. It's a too strong word to simply mean cultural taboo

The perceived strength of a word or the stigma attached to it does not change its definiton.

a·bom·i·na·tion [uh-bom-uh-ney-shuhn]
noun
a vile, shameful, or detestable action, condition, habit, etc.: Spitting in public is an abomination.

Word Origin & History
abomination
early 14c., "feeling of disgust, hatred, loathing," from O.Fr. abomination, from L. abominationem (nom. abominatio) "abomination," from abominatus, pp. of abominari "shun as an ill omen," from ab- "off, away from" + omin-, stem of omen (see omen). Meaning intensified by folk

Not to mention that the Bible is a translation made by guys who couldn't even get Jesus' name right.
Here's my non-Christian source:

Bible Dictionary
Abomination definition
This word is used, (1.) To express the idea that the Egyptians considered themselves as defiled when they ate with strangers (Gen. 43:32). The Jews subsequently followed the same practice, holding it unlawful to eat or drink with foreigners (John 18:28; Acts 10:28; 11:3). (2.) Every shepherd was "an abomination" unto the Egyptians (Gen. 46:34). This aversion to shepherds, such as the Hebrews, arose probably from the fact that Lower and Middle Egypt had formerly been held in oppressive subjection by a tribe of nomad shepherds (the Hyksos), who had only recently been expelled, and partly also perhaps from this other fact that the Egyptians detested the lawless habits of these wandering shepherds. (3.) Pharaoh was so moved by the fourth plague, that while he refused the demand of Moses, he offered a compromise, granting to the Israelites permission to hold their festival and offer their sacrifices in Egypt. This permission could not be accepted, because Moses said they would have to sacrifice "the abomination of the Egyptians" (Ex. 8:26); i.e., the cow or ox, which all the Egyptians held as sacred, and which they regarded it as sacrilegious to kill. (4.) Daniel (11:31), in that section of his prophecies which is generally interpreted as referring to the fearful calamities that were to fall on the Jews in the time of Antiochus Epiphanes, says, "And they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate." Antiochus Epiphanes caused an altar to be erected on the altar of burnt-offering, on which sacrifices were offered to Jupiter Olympus. (Comp. 1 Macc. 1:57). This was the abomination of the desolation of Jerusalem. The same language is employed in Dan. 9:27 (comp. Matt. 24:15), where the reference is probably to the image-crowned standards which the Romans set up at the east gate of the temple (A.D. 70), and to which they paid idolatrous honours. "Almost the entire religion of the Roman camp consisted in worshipping the ensign, swearing by the ensign, and in preferring the ensign before all other gods." These ensigns were an "abomination" to the Jews, the "abomination of desolation." This word is also used symbolically of sin in general (Isa. 66:3); an idol (44:19); the ceremonies of the apostate Church of Rome (Rev. 17:4); a detestable act (Ezek. 22:11).

Quote:Not to mention that the Bible is a translation made by guys who couldn't even get Jesus' name right.

So why do you trust the bible?


And how do you explain most Christians consider homosexuality as a disease, an abomination, an immorality and a disgusting behaviour? Not to mention many consider it a choice. So spitting in public is an abomination, right, but it's not illegal, so why do Christians seem to want to make gay marriage illegal?

I don't trust the Bible as, say, God's rulebook. I trust it as an insight into human nature as a society tries to find out what it means to be moral. In Leviticus, they resort to a set of laws, some regressive, others progressive.

To anti-gay Christians here: If Leviticus is the reason you don't like them, stone them like the book says.