(June 1, 2010 at 3:39 pm)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: @Caecilian ok i will answer every point in details but for now i cant answer questions out of the subject as this will get us all confused and getting to an arguments without end all the MISCONCEPTIONS you have i will get to it later but now we are talking about women in islam according to the Quran not according what some people do(am not talking about different cultures it has nothing to do with religion) tommorow i will start another thread about jihad in islam so if you want to prepare questions go on and good luck

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Before we move on to the jihad issue, I thought I'd post the views of a few islamic 'scholars' on the subject of child rape.

First of all, the late ayatollah khomeini:

Quote:A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable. If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister... It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house, rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.

Tahrirolvasyleh, fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990.

Heres Dr Ahmad Al-Mu'bi, a Saudi scholar, interviewed on lebanese TV:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q5t9U9r9Kfs

Heres Dr Abd Al-Hamid Al-'Ubaidi, an Iraqi scholar, interviewed on iraqi TV:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dlrJxaxaHRU

Pretty fucking sick, isn't it? But of course, all that they are advocating is that believers should do as that sick pervert the 'prophet' mohammed did.

Hey... pedophilia is always okay. I for one am a pedophile

Quote:Before we move on to the jihad issue, I thought I'd post the views of a few islamic 'scholars' on the subject of child rape.

ok the one explained after jihad

(June 1, 2010 at 5:00 pm)Saerules Wrote: Hey... pedophilia is always okay. I for one am a pedophile

You should try converting to islam, then. Maybe move to a muslim country. In Iran, a girl can be legally married off at the age of 9. Get yourself a juicy little 9-year-old girlie to play with.

Or if you prefer young boys, you could become a catholic priest. Fun and games with the altar boys.

Either way, being an atheist is a wrong move.

Quote:A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable. If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister... It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house, rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven

not right and will b explained later u people have no patience at all lol
ok i will give short answer and then a link to read and later i will prepare a thread for this also after my thread on jihad i think you will get more understanding of what media was doing
there is a big mistake happened by muslim scholars regarding the age of muhammed(pbuh)wife aisha age. when some people started claiming that she was 9 when she get married some scholars proved that she wasnt 9 she was 18 and they didnt get to an agreement as all the things used to prove this or that depends on history but as the marriages was in this age was normal at this time(wich i will explain in details later)muslim scholars start answering that and a lot of people thought that this was a fact
link about how did they prove she was 18:
link:http://www.ilovezakirnaik.com/madamayeshah/index.htm

(May 31, 2010 at 3:46 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote:

Quote:The "it's not islam it is the culture that is wrong" argument seems great, in theory only. Because it acknowledges that the teachings of the Qur'an and primitive misogynistic cultures are not incompatible.
If the Qur'an clearly condemned the abuses we see nowadays in the countries applying the sharia law, then no islamic country would ever condone these things. But the reality is different: the sharia is an explicitly islamic set of laws which comes from a certain (and common) interpretation of the Qur'an and the hadiths.

what i meant is that in some cultures they just look like that it have nothing to do wether they are a muslim or not. and about applying the sharia u get a ppl with agrissive culture and say those r the ones applying sharia but in fact they r doing a lot of things together sharia,culture,opression,......if u want to know wat they r doing is islamic or not see some of the verses i posted in the begining and compare it with wat they r doing so u can know where their acts came from and plz if u met anyone like that say to him only one verse of what i said he will either punch u or he will be silent dont think he will start giving u interpretations they just do wat they hear or wat they saw their fathers do.

The part in bold seems to me that, to you, islam and those cultures are not incompatible (as I said). It would seem to me that Islam tolerates the abuses in such cultures.
And if not, if they are doing unislamic things, are those people muslims according to you ?

Sorry mo3taz3nbar, after reading through this thread I am totally convinced that the Abrahamic religions are set up for insecure puny little man things who have tight panties and control issues

aka ...they are a joke

As for the women who must suffer at the hands of these *cough* men *cough cough* (and I use that term very loosely) if they want to escape these pathetic males then I am with Scented Nectar..."whatever help you need honey just ask!!"

mo3taz3nbar ...seek medical and psycological (ditch any religious book) help because....damn you need it!!

(June 1, 2010 at 5:16 pm)Caecilian Wrote:

(June 1, 2010 at 5:00 pm)Saerules Wrote: Hey... pedophilia is always okay. I for one am a pedophile

You should try converting to islam, then.

I think not... I couldn't make myself believe something like that without some serious help (we're talking strong drugs to the point my mind is destroyed here... there is no fucking way I could naturally convert)

Quote:Maybe move to a muslim country.

So much work... and muslim countries don't seem to be as 'good' as some of these western states

Quote:In Iran, a girl can be legally married off at the age of 9. Get yourself a juicy little 9-year-old girlie to play with.

So... 'homosexual marriages' are allowed in Iran? Further... note the difference between being a pedophile and engaging in pedophiliac actions

Quote:Or if you prefer young boys, you could become a catholic priest. Fun and games with the altar boys.

While young boys might on occasion be somewhat attractive... I find that sex with them (as with young girls) is quite boring. A girl might have more fun masturbating

Quote:Either way, being an atheist is a wrong move.

Why is that? Atheism has nothing to do with sex, so far as I can see

Quote:The part in bold seems to me that, to you, islam and those cultures are not incompatible (as I said). It would seem to me that Islam tolerates the abuses in such cultures.

Islam is compatible in any culture thats why there is muslims in every country with no problems but when it comes to culture there is some people that will ignore some religious facts because he found his father doing something and he have to do the same(even if its againest islam) and this was a problem in the begining of muhammed (pbuh) message especially regarding women as their culture back then didnt give women any rights so they was not used to it at first but later they changed their behaviour that is what islam suppose to do to a culture to change the bad things if there is something in culture that doesnt conflict with the islam there is no problem in it

Quote:And if not, if they are doing unislamic things, are those people muslims according to you ?

anyone who believe that there is no god except Allah and that muhammed(pbuh) is his servant and his messenger is a muslim

I'm just a bit disgusted Saerules is attracted to children..

The first season of south park was terrible, bad writing, shock value. After that and to this day it's priceless satire on serious issues, unfortunately it became big too early, now in 2010 it's actually quality comedy and nobody cares because they just remember swearing kids from 1996.. I was thinking of 'here come the mormons' earlier very funny episode. There is one where all the parents become atheists because of catholic kiddy fiddling aswel.