90 posts in this thread and still no evidence provided for god. Just a previously debunked rationalization that is only convincing to those who already believe.

(August 19, 2014 at 4:10 am)revivin Wrote:

(August 19, 2014 at 4:08 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Special Pleading.

I am not special pleading. I am just giving you the definition I put to what God is -- uncreated Creator.

Well now, that's great. All you need to do now is provide something to back up that definition and we have a data point to work on.

Most people who believe in god believe that everything comes from nothing, unless they believe god made everything from himself, which would mean that we are all god, unless we came from nothing.

God is a lame excuse for those who can't seem to live without knowing some grand purpose for their existence. You need to not only prove a deity exists, but find a reason how he got here and what his purpose is for piddling with lower forms of life and not rearing his purdy lil head.

So you think god's existence can be proven by simply throwing out the bullshit argument that 'the universe couldn't have come from nothing'? So where did god come from? He couldn't have come from nothing Lack of evidence to explain our origin is not proof for god, it's proof for a fucking lack of knowledge! Post hoc and argument from ignorance, impossible logical conclusion... Come back once you've got a good logically consistent argument

(August 19, 2014 at 9:03 am)Blackout Wrote: So you think god's existence can be proven by simply throwing out the bullshit argument that 'the universe couldn't have come from nothing'? So where did god come from? He couldn't have come from nothing Lack of evidence to explain our origin is not proof for god, it's proof for a fucking lack of knowledge! Post hoc and argument from ignorance, impossible logical conclusion... Come back once you've got a good logically consistent argument

Our teachers told us not to think about that, cause that way of thinking is from ysh-shatán

We could play logical fallacy bingo with this guy at this point.

(August 19, 2014 at 2:20 am)revivin Wrote:

(August 19, 2014 at 2:16 am)little_monkey Wrote: Nothing might never have existed. Therefore something never came out of nothing.

So something had to come out of something.

If something never came out of nothing then asking "how did something come out of nothing" is an exercise in futility.

Let me ask you few simple questions.

Why do you believe in a deity?
To what end did you come to this conclusion?
Why is it important that this deity even exists?
Do you fear this deity not existing?

(August 19, 2014 at 2:29 am)revivin Wrote: Since atheism is false you would be correct.

Do you have any proof that there are any gods?

The problem with the cosmological argument is that it's set up in a way to conform to the presuppositional beliefs that you already hold. You believe that the atheistic view is that "everything came from nothing". You have a universal rule that everything must have a cause. You then assert that God is the cause of the universe to solve this "problem".

The problem is: what's God's cause? Sure, you'll say he has no cause, and then I'll call special pleading. You said there's a universal rule to make God required, then you say he violates that very rule. So, to keep this from being special pleading, you'll give God some qualities like being "timeless" or eternal. That way, he can exist outside of our notion of causality.

And therein lies the problem. Once you admit that you're fine believing in things that have no cause (as we know them), then you've gotten rid of the reason for proving that the universe needs a cause. If you feel God needs no cause because he's timeless or eternal, how do you know the universe isn't timeless or eternal?

This argument only makes sense from your loaded frame of reference. All you've managed to prove is that the Cosmological Argument fits nicely into your world view, and nothing else.