(August 19, 2014 at 8:38 pm)PhiloTech Wrote: I myself profess to be anti-theistic at times. I am an anti-theist towards particular gods such as a yahweh or Allah considering the evidence for these gods refutes their existence.
In certain cases I know that particular gods do not exist at all.

Now on a broad sense, what the fuck is a god even anyways? How can I or anyone accept something as vague as a god. I can be anti-theistic for the mere fact that all concepts of god are gibberish, deceitful and rely upon nothing. People use fallacy after fallacy to posit the existence of a god and try claiming that "god is love" or "god is the universe". All of these are mere wordplay and I can be anti-theistic purely because of the incoherency of god.

...Meow

This. Wish I could express myself like this.

(August 19, 2014 at 8:41 pm)czúzyt ylgájla Wrote:

(August 19, 2014 at 8:38 pm)PhiloTech Wrote: I myself profess to be anti-theistic at times. I am an anti-theist towards particular gods such as a yahweh or Allah considering the evidence for these gods refutes their existence.
In certain cases I know that particular gods do not exist at all.

Now on a broad sense, what the fuck is a god even anyways? How can I or anyone accept something as vague as a god. I can be anti-theistic for the mere fact that all concepts of god are gibberish, deceitful and rely upon nothing. People use fallacy after fallacy to posit the existence of a god and try claiming that "god is love" or "god is the universe". All of these are mere wordplay and I can be anti-theistic purely because of the incoherency of god.

...Meow

This. Wish I could express myself like this.

I am very fond of philosophy. If you are an ex Muslim you should realize that Muslims contributed a lot to philosophy and knowledge although the religious aspect was wrong. I highly recommend you to look into the old Arabian philosophers.
The Qur'an itself is a philosophical text although a lot of the philosophy in it is barbaric.

My ability to address religious issues come from meditation by the way. Many atheist are scared of meditation but I would recommend it to anybody.

...Meow

I've never really meditated. I sometimes have trouble clearing my thoughts even when I lay myself down to sleep. I think meditation is about clearing your thoughts, and...something else once the thoughts are cleared?

(August 19, 2014 at 1:01 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Rae, the idea behind knowledge as "justified true belief" distinguishes between deduced concepts, of which someone can be certain, and empirical judgments, of which someone cannot be fully certain. Your examples seem to lean toward the more empirical, primarily because they address specific instances. That approach gives you a justified opinion, but not actual knowledge. I think you recognize this, because you set aside from the 'true' part in your post.

I think you're mistaken. Gettier problems, the standard litmus of the justified-true-belief definition, deal with empirical truths. Knowledge doesn't only apply to a priori truths.

(August 20, 2014 at 3:18 pm)rasetsu Wrote:

(August 19, 2014 at 1:01 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Rae, the idea behind knowledge as "justified true belief" distinguishes between deduced concepts, of which someone can be certain, and empirical judgments, of which someone cannot be fully certain. Your examples seem to lean toward the more empirical, primarily because they address specific instances. That approach gives you a justified opinion, but not actual knowledge. I think you recognize this, because you set aside from the 'true' part in your post.

I think you're mistaken. Gettier problems, the standard litmus of the justified-true-belief definition, deal with empirical truths. Knowledge doesn't only apply to a priori truths.

I had to do a keyword search on "Gettier Problems" and trust that your interpretation is correct for current epistemology. I was referencing the ancient formula of doxa + logos = episteme. In the most broad sense 'logos' simply means an account; however some scholars interpret Plato's meaning of 'logos' more rigidly, i.e. a logically valid account following in the ancient Greek tradition of argument started by Thales.

(August 19, 2014 at 10:32 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I've never really meditated. I sometimes have trouble clearing my thoughts even when I lay myself down to sleep. I think meditation is about clearing your thoughts, and...something else once the thoughts are cleared?

When I go to sleep I meditate.........on Burt Reynolds. if it aint Burt it is a combination of Sigourney Weaver, Ryan Gosling, Ellen Page or Ryan Reynolds.
Meeeeeeeeeeow, tasty flesh for a growing kitty.


...meow!