(June 2, 2010 at 11:40 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: 1-Is islam religion of peace?

If some someone slaps you in the face you have the right to slap him back but if you forgive him its better for yourself

That's a bastardisation of the original meaning which removes the moral imperative for peace. The old law was an eye for an eye which Jesus correctly interpreted as turn the other cheek.

(June 2, 2010 at 11:40 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: 2-Jihad :

-jihad doesn’t mean holly war

Holly is a spikey leaved bush. Holy is the word you're looking for.

(June 2, 2010 at 11:40 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: 3-When do muslims are allowed to fight?

Fighting is immoral. Period.

Quote:Fighting is immoral. Period.

Um...unless you're killing people who believe in a different invisible man in the sky. Then the Holy Fuck Heads are fine with it.

Quote:That's a bastardisation of the original meaning which removes the moral imperative for peace. The old law was an eye for an eye which Jesus correctly interpreted as turn the other cheek.

That's one interpretation.(ignoring for the nonce that the biblical Jesus is myth)

I asked an orthodox rabbi about "an eye for an eye" as I could not understand why the Torah also says "vengeance is mime said the Lord,I will repay"

The explanation I got was that "an eye for an eye" is about compensation,not revenge. That makes sense to me, as much of Abrahamic law is based on the code of Hammurabi,which emphasises compensation. In some Islamic countries,blood money may still be paid to avoid the death penalty

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To claim "jihad"does not include the notion of holy war is naive or dishonest. It's certainly ignorant. Islam engaged in holy wars of conquest for the first 100 years after the death of the prophet. The word 'jihad' means;'struggle',which has profound non violent meanings as well as war.

Quote:In western societies the term jihad is often translated as "holy war".[10] Muslim authors tend to reject such an approach stressing non-militant connotations of the word.[11] In technical literature regarding the concept of jihad the term "holy war" is often used to describe it.[12] However, scholars of Islamic studies often stress that both words are not synonymous.[13]

Quote:Warfare (Jihad bil Saif)

Within classical Islamic jurisprudence—the development of which is to be dated into the first few centuries after the prophets death[21]—jihad is the only form of warfare permissible under Islamic law, and may consist in wars against unbelievers, apostates, rebels, highway robbers and dissenters renouncing the authority of Islam.[22] The primary aim of jihad as warfare is not the conversion of non-Muslims to Islam by force, but rather the expansion and defense of the Islamic state.[23][24

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad#Warfa...il_Saif.29

(June 4, 2010 at 4:57 pm)Paul the Human Wrote: Indeed. So the Qur'an doesn't specifically sanction such activities. Muslims are still committing them in the name of Allah and justifying them with the Qur'an. That is not a misconception. It is the truth. Apparently, you do not think these terrorist/jihadis are right... so why don't you put your efforts toward denouncing them, rather than trying to convince us that your religion is not responsible?

the misconception is that some are thinking that this is islam wich is not true.the fact that they use Islam to commit these acts has nothing to do with islam itself and i will do anything to stop these terrorist attacks but i think we are here talking about religion and we are all seeking the truth so we must know what the Quran itself says not what some people who are muslims do

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Quote:My point exactly! Muslims want us to believe that jihadists who commit atrocities in the name of Islam are "misguided" or some such thing. If that's the case, why don't Muslims stand up and denounce terrorist attacks? Because I've never seen it happen.

they just show you that side they dont show you the fact that most muslims deny these terrorist acts strongly

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this thread is turning little political but am still waiting for any questions regarding what some people think that Islam order terrorism and violance and i also gave a clear example to what enemies of islam and terrorists do just to make it clear that these people have other reasons and it have nothing to do with Islam as a religion. the aim of all the threads about refuting misconceptions is just to make a clear view of islam so we can continue talking about each other beliefs and to share with you guys what made me become a muslim and also have a better understanding about atheism

Other Muslims would disagree with you tho' mo. They say they're correct and you're wrong. Muslim countries condone and instigate hate... it's what you get when you think religion belongs in control of countries. You've just demonstrated yourself the reasoning for violence for example. This is the reality of Islam. You will assert your position using force against anyone that disagrees with you. Does or does not the Qur'an equally condone militancy as well as present a gentler interpretation that you present? Are those hateful Imams accepted members of the religion?

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[quote]Other Muslims would disagree with you tho' mo. They say they're correct and you're wrong. Muslim countries condone and instigate hate... it's what you get when you think religion belongs in control of countries.[/quote]
ok i prefer to say that the extremest which are minority will disagree with me but they will also no be able to answer me when quoting from the Quran because they just ignore a lot of verses to justify their acts

[quote]You've just demonstrated yourself the reasoning for violence for example. This is the reality of Islam. You will assert your position using force against anyone that disagrees with you. Does or does not the Qur'an equally condone militancy as well as present a gentler interpretation that you present? Are those hateful Imams accepted members of the religion?[/quote]
when i say this is the reality of islam i dont force anything i just quote from the Quran so thats what the Quran says and again the same problem you cant judge islam by what some muslim minorities do if you believe that this is not what islam says prove me wrong

(June 4, 2010 at 9:11 pm)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: they just show you that side they dont show you the fact that most muslims deny these terrorist acts strongly

In all fairness, we do know that the news is often biased. I don't know about "most," but there are definitely some Muslims that aren't for terrorist attacks. Just because people are religious, doesn't mean they aren't individuals, they just are to a lesser degree. Therefore, none of us can rightly claim that all Muslims rejoice in the terrorism that is so rampant among them.

I do remember hearing a number of soldiers talking about Muslims who were terrified of the terrorists. It's easy for us to forget that some Muslims have been killed by these whackos.

Quote:I do remember hearing a number of soldiers talking about Muslims who were terrified of the terrorists. It's easy for us to forget that some Muslims have been killed by these whackos.

the funny thing is that some of you dont know that we have some bombings happenned before in egypt in muslim places by terrorists killing only muslims i see that the main reasons for that kind of attitude is hate and poverty but all i want is to clarify things so that your decisions regarding faith(whatever it is) would be based on true facts.

(June 4, 2010 at 10:51 pm)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: your decisions regarding faith(whatever it is) would be based on true facts.

Rest assured that mine are, to the best of my knowledge. I still don't subscribe to any religion. Yours is no better or worse than Christianity, in my mind.

Quote:Rest assured that mine are, to the best of my knowledge. I still don't subscribe to any religion. Yours is no better or worse than Christianity, in my mind.

first i hope at least the two threads i made make you have better knowledge about women in islam and also Islam and terrorism as those are the two major misconceptions about islam as i think
second help me to clarify things about islam by telling me the misconceptions you have to prepare for my next thread about refuting misconceptions