Was just reminded of the Seinfeld episode where the whole concept of fake orgasms comes as a surprise to Jerry.

Fake, fake, fake, fake, fake and fake.

There will always be a picking order. Equality is a pipe dream and a serious delusion. Man will rule over woman and woman will rule over man. It is all circumstantial and bickering over it won't change how things work. Whether it be hierarchy or matriarchy it is all just a matter of preference and the abiding of a fad.
I have met few girls who could be considered my equal but plenty who could be called inferior than me and the same goes for boys actually. All that seems to be left in this world is boys and girls not men and women.

(August 21, 2014 at 2:07 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: [Hide]
So as long as a woman never demands equality, her husband is to treat her as equal but the moment she asks to be treated equal, in church for instance, then he shall rule over you comes into play.

And you see women putting up with that do you?

Regards
DL

A little bit of commentary

A lot of reading

I'll comment specifically on the arguers failure to distinguish 'worth' from 'role'. I am in a subordinate position at work. Does that mean I'm less of a 'human' or am somehow not 'inherently equal' to my boss? If a policeman asks you to step out of your car, do you yell back at him "Stop treating me like a sub-human, you're misogynistic, I demand equal rights!" Certainly the arguer uses this line of reasoning only to the Biblical text while ignoring other examples in everyday life where 'roles' are accepted, and without resorting to such objection.

(August 21, 2014 at 2:42 pm)Losty Wrote: And what exactly is the duty of a "real man"?

To place his family and their needs or wants ahead of his own. The strong carry the weak. The strong do not ask the weak to carry them.

Regards
DL

(August 23, 2014 at 1:12 pm)Greatest I am Wrote:

(August 21, 2014 at 2:42 pm)Losty Wrote: And what exactly is the duty of a "real man"?

To place his family and their needs or wants ahead of his own. The strong carry the weak. The strong do not ask the weak to carry them.

Regards
DL

Must one have a family to be considered a "real man"? Must one be strong to be a "real man"? Does being a man make one inherently stronger than someone who is not a man?

(August 21, 2014 at 3:14 pm)PhiloTech Wrote: There will always be a picking order. Equality is a pipe dream and a serious delusion. Man will rule over woman and woman will rule over man. It is all circumstantial and bickering over it won't change how things work. Whether it be hierarchy or matriarchy it is all just a matter of preference and the abiding of a fad.
I have met few girls who could be considered my equal but plenty who could be called inferior than me and the same goes for boys actually. All that seems to be left in this world is boys and girls not men and women.

Our sense of duty is attached to maturity and I agree that we have many boys who do not want to become men of duty and honor and that is why men continue to deny women equality.

Be they religious men or not.

Regards
DL

(August 22, 2014 at 12:44 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: I'll comment specifically on the arguers failure to distinguish 'worth' from 'role'. I am in a subordinate position at work. Does that mean I'm less of a 'human' or am somehow not 'inherently equal' to my boss? If a policeman asks you to step out of your car, do you yell back at him "Stop treating me like a sub-human, you're misogynistic, I demand equal rights!" Certainly the arguer uses this line of reasoning only to the Biblical text while ignoring other examples in everyday life where 'roles' are accepted, and without resorting to such objection.

Just off the top of my head...

You can leave your job. Women can't leave their gender if their "subordinate role" (boy, you theists sure are good at sugarcoating!) leads them to be abused. There are also strictures in place by law preventing your boss and police from abusing you, and those people aren't simply given assumed power over you by dint of physiology.

Is making terrible comparisons just something you have to do, in christianity? Or are they just the only, paltry defense your religion can muster in this day and age?

(August 22, 2014 at 12:44 pm)orangebox21 Wrote:

(August 21, 2014 at 2:07 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: [Hide]
So as long as a woman never demands equality, her husband is to treat her as equal but the moment she asks to be treated equal, in church for instance, then he shall rule over you comes into play.

And you see women putting up with that do you?

Regards
DL

A little bit of commentary

A lot of reading

I'll comment specifically on the arguers failure to distinguish 'worth' from 'role'. I am in a subordinate position at work. Does that mean I'm less of a 'human' or am somehow not 'inherently equal' to my boss? If a policeman asks you to step out of your car, do you yell back at him "Stop treating me like a sub-human, you're misogynistic, I demand equal rights!" Certainly the arguer uses this line of reasoning only to the Biblical text while ignoring other examples in everyday life where 'roles' are accepted, and without resorting to such objection.

Are the women and men you work with paid the same for equal work?

Most women are at about 70% of what men make.

Does that make them inferior to men?

Yes it does to those who maintain that standard. Physically and mentally.

Regards
DL

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(August 23, 2014 at 1:15 pm)Losty Wrote:

(August 23, 2014 at 1:12 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: To place his family and their needs or wants ahead of his own. The strong carry the weak. The strong do not ask the weak to carry them.

Regards
DL

Must one have a family to be considered a "real man"?

No. But he will recognize that the family is a man's first responsibility and that children are our collective future and women are more important to them than men.

Regards
DL

(August 23, 2014 at 1:22 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: No. But he will recognize that the family is a man's first responsibility and that children are our collective future and women are more important to them than men.

Regards
DL

I guess I think it's silly to put qualifiers on men in order for them to be real men. Homosexuals are still real men. What about a meek timid stay at home dad married to a strong woman who provides well for her family. Is he not a real man? Women are not inherently weak and in need of being provided for and men are not inherently strong nor should they have an automatic responsibility to protect and provide for anyone (except their own children but that's everyone not just men).
Sorry DL, I just really don't like when people say "real men" and then add all these silly requirements that are nt necesarry to be a man.
And women are not more important that men.

(August 23, 2014 at 1:52 pm)Losty Wrote:

(August 23, 2014 at 1:22 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: No. But he will recognize that the family is a man's first responsibility and that children are our collective future and women are more important to them than men.

Regards
DL

I guess I think it's silly to put qualifiers on men in order for them to be real men. Homosexuals are still real men. What about a meek timid stay at home dad married to a strong woman who provides well for her family. Is he not a real man? Women are not inherently weak and in need of being provided for and men are not inherently strong nor should they have an automatic responsibility to protect and provide for anyone (except their own children but that's everyone not just men).
Sorry DL, I just really don't like when people say "real men" and then add all these silly requirements that are nt necesarry to be a man.
And women are not more important that men.

I agree when thinking of equal before the law.

Note how most judges do not agree if the men who think they were screwed by a divorce judge will attest to. I happen to agree with the judges I think.

When thinking of a man's duty to family, I go with the law of the sea where women and children are put to the lifeboats ahead of men.

Do you disagree with the tradition of the Law of the Sea?

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As to women being weak.

The only weakness is their forced ability to carry a fetus to birth. That situation must be recognized and mostly has been over time. Only a really foolish man will not care for a pregnant wife and treat her as weak in that situation.

Regards
DL