(August 22, 2014 at 7:15 pm)Drich Wrote: very good, now finish your thoughts, and drag them to their logical conclusion when you apply your tid bit of history to what is being discussed.

If there is no seperation between church and state and said state (such as the Holy Roman Empire) declares war in the name of God does it mean God is somehow locked in and bound to support them, especially when the declaration of war counter mands the mandates given to us as Christians in the bible?

No. Especially when you look at the theology surrounding the Holy Roman Empire. At that time the pope was considered a living apstole with the power rights and ability to invent and countermand scripture. Which is what had to be done to declare war on prodestant states.

So again, actions taken in the name of God not supported by the bible are not apart of the Biblical Christianity Christ established and supports. This is what our media would deem 'radical christianity."

None of that is germane to my point, which was that the reason why Christianity has changed is because the Europeans witnessed its murderous bloodlust firsthand in the form of Christians killing each other in the name of their own conception of your god.

And so far as your last sentence goes, even your own Christ points out, "By the fruit shall ye know the tree. A good tree cannot give bad fruit."

Clearly, Christianity is a rotten tree, given all the misery it has inflicted upon people for two thousand years.

(August 22, 2014 at 7:15 pm)Drich Wrote: that was so arrogant and pompous it gave my irony meter cancer! good job! I will get to have some fun with this next bit.

I make change in the coin tendered.

(August 22, 2014 at 7:15 pm)Drich Wrote: The reason we are talking about biblical commands is because I introduced this subject like on page three the very first time this angle of attack came up. And I have been talking about it ever since. There has been at least 4 maybe 5 of you guys in an effort to shut me up has brought up this very to my attention.. Note your the only one still talking about it. Why? Because they all understand and have acknowledged through their silence that that Christianity per the scriptures (Christian not OT Jewish)is a nonviolent religion. appearently reading comprehension is where we both fail. Maybe get your lesson ready set your computer in front of a mirror and just pretend your talking to me, but at the same time take notes..

Nonsense. The only reason why I'm still talking about it is because you are insisting upon misunderstanding a key moment in the history of your own religion, to wit, the nature of the internecine struggle in 17th-century Christianity. This has nothing to do with any of the others, I am not tracking or following their points to you.

(August 22, 2014 at 7:15 pm)Drich Wrote: That is why my efforts are on being focused on being arrogant, contemptuous, or sarcastic.

Whatever it takes to mollify your pride, I suppose. Say your prayers tonight.

(August 22, 2014 at 7:09 pm)Minimalist Wrote: All you happy jesus freaks merrily slaughtering each other would be a wonder to behold. Why don't you start some shit and see if you can do it?

Drippy can't be slaughtered. He has no vital organ at stake if terrorists, or his fellow Jesus cultists unchanged, were to cut off his head.

I'm not going to bother pruning the quote for this reply, I'm drunk, it's late and I really should be in bed if only someone would oblige me. Deal with it. Thank Frederick (or Froderick) Fuck for autocorrect is all I can say.

Drich, I was only being as offensive as you were yourself. Beyond that I told it like it is. You got stung by your own offensivity or whatever the frigging word is. That said, thank you for acknowledging my request.

(August 22, 2014 at 6:48 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(August 22, 2014 at 6:28 pm)Drich Wrote: .... Well I'm not confused.

Nominated for the Dwarf-Star-Alloy Grade Irony Award.

Also you owe me a new smartphone. I just choked vodka over it.

Thanks, brother - you just reminded me I have to go to the liquor store.

See, this thread is good for something after all.

(August 22, 2014 at 6:46 pm)Drich Wrote:

(August 22, 2014 at 6:31 pm)Losty Wrote: Hehe I'm weird, Drich is just...well I wouldn't use weird to describe him.

How about, Drich is usually right about what he says even if he doesn't tip his hat to all the play nice 'good people' rules.

Sure. Something along the lines of, not my kind of Christian.

(August 22, 2014 at 7:48 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I'm not going to bother pruning the quote for this reply, I'm drunk, it's late and I really should be in bed if only someone would oblige me. Deal with it. Thank Frederick (or Froderick) Fuck for autocorrect is all I can say.

Drich, I was only being as offensive as you were yourself. Beyond that I told it like it is. You got stung by your own offensivity or whatever the frigging word is. That said, thank you for acknowledging my request.

Stims, I was just messing with you.

Words only have the power the hearer allows them to have. Do you honestly think I could do what I do here and not be immune to the aray of 'colorful adjectives' I have been called, by you alone never mind anyone else.

Just having some fun with the funny talkers from the old country.

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(August 22, 2014 at 9:13 pm)Losty Wrote:

(August 22, 2014 at 6:46 pm)Drich Wrote:

How about, Drich is usually right about what he says even if he doesn't tip his hat to all the play nice 'good people' rules.

Sure. Something along the lines of, not my kind of Christian.

Ceedus Lepeedus, don't make a sad face at me. I didn't say I hate you or you're the worst person ever.
If it helps, I am very picky about my Christians and it's not really easy to meet my standards and remain true to your faith.

If you don't mind my asking, how do you know your version of Christianity is right? Is your version the only version that could be right? If someone was a kind gentle Christian who loved god and Jesus very much, then would that be good enough even though they don't interpret the bible the same as you do?

(August 23, 2014 at 12:06 am)Losty Wrote: Ceedus Lepeedus, don't make a sad face at me. I didn't say I hate you or you're the worst person ever.
If it helps, I am very picky about my Christians and it's not really easy to meet my standards and remain true to your faith.

Zenon reference? I had to google that one, it looks worse than dr who. But because their doesn't seem to be 400 years of Zenon epsoides to pull quotes from I guess it is better than all of who's mess.
Oh, and the sad face was at you per say. I just realized that no matter what I could say you had a valid point. (In a sense you won that round.)

The sad face was an attempt to have you bait me with a series of conditions of redemption, upon which I could then spin a lesson, kinda like I did with stimbo and the burg cheeser comment.

Quote:If you don't mind my asking, how do you know your version of Christianity is right?

there is already a thread we've done detailing all of this, but in short mine is right because it says all versions of Christianity are wrong to one degree or another, and that the same attonement the works when we willfully sin, works just the same as when we are doing our best to worship God with all of our hearts, soul, spirit, and strength. (Just like the bible says.)

Quote: Is your version the only version that could be right?

yes, because it allows room for all Jesus Christ centered religion, and growth into one denomination to another with out compromise, if and when our faiths mature.

Quote:If someone was a kind gentle Christian who loved god and Jesus very much, then would that be good enough even though they don't interpret the bible the same as you do?

yes, again like Paul said we (Christians/Christian denominations on a larger scale) are like various body parts. Each part has a different form and a different function. Meaning we are built to look, act, and function differently. Just because the whole body does not look and act like a hand does not mean we are not apart of the body of Christ.

That means if I am a hand (worker/doer)and I act and function differently than say someone who is an eye(someone who maybe sees and observes/coordinates things well) does not mean because I worship by working a certain way, that the rest of the body of Christ has to worship as I do. In order to be saved.

We need the gentile kind and soft touched people, for people who in turn have a soft touch, but the body also needs rough and abrasive people in its service as well. for what better material can be used to scour down a calloused, and hard heart.?

To be honest I don't like to be around Christians who put on the fake do good personalities. I want to be around real people even if it means not all are Christian. I do not believe in setting myself apart or above who I really am just because I believe in God. Why? Because I do not believe God is fooled by my act nor do I believe other people are fooled by my acting skills. I will stand or fall on who I am. Some may like me, and others may not. Let the cards fall where they may.

But at the same time I know those other type of Christians have the same opportunities as I do when it comes down to being a member of the body of Christ.

One is not better than another, we are simply built with different tasks in mind.[/quote]

"Zenon reference? I had to google that one, it looks worse than dr who. But because their doesn't seem to be 400 years of Zenon epsoides to pull quotes from I guess it is better than all of who's mess.
Oh, and the sad face was at you per say. I just realized that no matter what I could say you had a valid point. (In a sense you won that round.)

The sad face was an attempt to have you bait me with a series of conditions of redemption, upon which I could then spin a lesson, kinda like I did with stimbo and the burg cheeser comment."

I will get to the rest of your comment later. I'm preparing for my daughter's bday party, but I had to respond to this.

I love Zenon. It's a great movie and it was one of few "cool" movies I was allowed to watch as a kid. I wouldn't bait you with conditions or redemptions, because I have no right to ask you to try and change who you are to be my friend. I'm not sure about you yet. I know what I've seen others say, but in time I will decide for myself. Just because you're not my kind of Christian doesn't mean I wouldn't be friends with you. I don't really know if you care to be my friend anyways lol.
I guess I'm glad I won the round? I didn't know we were debating or boxing or whatever we are apparently doing. I was just talking.

(August 22, 2014 at 7:45 pm)Chuck Wrote: Drippy can't be slaughtered. He has no vital organ at stake if terrorists, or his fellow Jesus cultists unchanged, were to cut off his head.

His head would then have to be considered a weapon of mass destruction. Once that empty vessel is exposed to atmosphere, the resulting vacuum will suck up everything within a mile.