Quote:I believe in a Higher Power. I do not know what this Power is, I have an idea on where it came from.

The part I added in bold is what I think he's disputing.

You might as well have said "I believe things exist, but I haven't read any scientific findings that explain them."

Always late to parties, I am...

Welcome aboard, rogue.
Enjoy your time around here and keep those atheist hounds at bay!

(September 24, 2014 at 10:43 pm)Zidneya Wrote: Oh that's okay. I'll do it for you.

(October 1, 2014 at 4:18 am)Aractus Wrote:

Thanks. Nice to meet you.

(September 24, 2014 at 4:37 pm)Rogue Wrote: I think you do believe in a power so strong that the whole universe was created by it. It is called the Big Bang/Energy. It is that kind of power that I respect/believe in. The simple fact that we exist proves there are powers beyond our control. To me the complexity of it all proves intelligence existed before us.

That just sounds like the physical laws of the universe. The fact that I don't float off into space, and cannot do so on demand, proves that there are powers beyond our control. The complexity of it tells me little. The chaotic and messy nature of it all doesn't make me think that there's an intellect behind it. One of the hallmarks of intellect is its ability to communicate its thoughts to others in a clear and distinct manner. If such a universal intellect exists, I expect that we'll run into it at some point. Until then, I'm not worried about it, and I stopped trying to wish it into existence some years ago.

Tonus,

It does tell me something. That nobody knows and should stop fighting about it. I will not come to an absolute conclusion until we have more data. Until then I'm chilling.

The universe is beautiful. I see it like this. If you don't want to be found put an astronomical distance like a moat, dark matter, and like a fort, all kinds of dangers to get through to even attempt to find the Beginning.

On top of all that you can not see intelligence. Only the physical things it produces.

The two conclusions drawn here, no god/s-atheist, a god by Christians, are made with very little knowledge. 2% I believe it is.

You guys have definitely poked a lot of holes into religion. I feel the same way. It stops there. To say more is over stepping your boundaries, lack of knowledge.

I don't condemn atheism, I do condemn cruelty and mockery because it's Bad Manners. Whether it's an atheist or religious person, it's just uncivilized, messy and chaotic. It is an enemy of PEACE.

I find it fascinating that this planet with all the mess and chaos has stayed right where we need it to for billions of years. It is in the exact same place. That's neat and tidy where I come from. I don't call that proof of anything. That's my brain working. Some people like roast beef, some don't. Just don't try to MAKE them eat it if they don't want to.

I had an aunt that I loved to go see on summer break. She made green bean casserole. Now I like green beans very much I did not like the casserole. She made me eat it and I was pretty hurt and angry about that. I did not go spend any more summers there.

Nice to meet you too!