(June 17, 2010 at 6:15 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote:

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@scented
1-the cell itself consist of mostly water and this verse is talking about living things
2-skies means every thing galaxies stars planets everything and its not the only verse talking about the universe there is a lot of other verses telling about things in the universe that was impossible to be known from 1400 years that even make this verse more clear about its meaning(the Quran is not a book of science its a book of signs so dont expect to find equations its just telling you how after you see this you still not believe).regarding the we in the quran this is the plural of respect there is no gods its only God
3-am not saying that we are not suppose to use logic and reason am saying that this is what we suppose to do but not believing in something because you didnt see it this is what am saying is not logic by using logic and reason you can believe in something you didnt see this is what i meant
4-the imagination and illness in mind and believing in something that is not true for personal purposes is being done and will continue wether the human believe in something or lack the believe we can all have delusions.in my opinion you must set aside any thing spiritual or even faith(for atheists they need to be objective) and just use reasons and logic so you can make the right decision and to avoid any delusions i mentioned some of the reasons before and non of them was based on blind faith.in your side there is no evidence but it is lack of evidence in the side of religion that you was born with.about people lying and claiming that they have the truth you just need to search more deeply so you can diffirintiate between the liers and deluded and the people who have reasons for their beliefs as it is easy for you to see this as you got out of any brainwashing you had. believe me you cant imagine how easy to know the difference if you just searched little deeper and with objectivity

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plz scented back to the subject i will talk about every little thing that make me believe in more details this is so confusing for me and for the other members i think. i will be posting my thread about the first stage i passed through which is atheism and i am really interested to share with you how i used to think and also to know about your thoughts

Quote:He's making the vague ramblings in his text of choice fit facts.

Quote:I think Mo is making the same mistake seen by many Xtian theists we've come accross. He's making the vague ramblings in his text of choice fit facts.

(June 17, 2010 at 8:52 pm)Scented Nectar Wrote:

(June 17, 2010 at 6:15 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote:

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@scented
1-the cell itself consist of mostly water and this verse is talking about living things
2-skies means every thing galaxies stars planets everything and its not the only verse talking about the universe there is a lot of other verses telling about things in the universe that was impossible to be known from 1400 years that even make this verse more clear about its meaning(the Quran is not a book of science its a book of signs so dont expect to find equations its just telling you how after you see this you still not believe).regarding the we in the quran this is the plural of respect there is no gods its only God
3-am not saying that we are not suppose to use logic and reason am saying that this is what we suppose to do but not believing in something because you didnt see it this is what am saying is not logic by using logic and reason you can believe in something you didnt see this is what i meant
4-the imagination and illness in mind and believing in something that is not true for personal purposes is being done and will continue wether the human believe in something or lack the believe we can all have delusions.in my opinion you must set aside any thing spiritual or even faith(for atheists they need to be objective) and just use reasons and logic so you can make the right decision and to avoid any delusions i mentioned some of the reasons before and non of them was based on blind faith.in your side there is no evidence but it is lack of evidence in the side of religion that you was born with.about people lying and claiming that they have the truth you just need to search more deeply so you can diffirintiate between the liers and deluded and the people who have reasons for their beliefs as it is easy for you to see this as you got out of any brainwashing you had. believe me you cant imagine how easy to know the difference if you just searched little deeper and with objectivity

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plz scented back to the subject i will talk about every little thing that make me believe in more details this is so confusing for me and for the other members i think. i will be posting my thread about the first stage i passed through which is atheism and i am really interested to share with you how i used to think and also to know about your thoughts

Repost the above in a separate thread please if you don't want to reply here. I have replies to what you wrote, but since going off topic takes away from enjoying the forum for you, I'll wait until I see you post them elsewhere.

(June 21, 2010 at 3:16 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote:

Quote:I think Mo is making the same mistake seen by many Xtian theists we've come accross. He's making the vague ramblings in his text of choice fit facts.

dont apply what you got on the bible on the Quran blindly am not fitting any context by force and if i do that any time as i always quote from the quran you can freely tell me that this doesnt mean what you claims.read the quotes from the Quran in my first post i didnt put an interpretation and the meaning is clear believe me anything i quote is really there without needing vague rambelings if i at anytime do this correct me

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(June 17, 2010 at 8:52 pm)Scented Nectar Wrote:

(June 17, 2010 at 6:15 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote:

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@scented
1-the cell itself consist of mostly water and this verse is talking about living things
2-skies means every thing galaxies stars planets everything and its not the only verse talking about the universe there is a lot of other verses telling about things in the universe that was impossible to be known from 1400 years that even make this verse more clear about its meaning(the Quran is not a book of science its a book of signs so dont expect to find equations its just telling you how after you see this you still not believe).regarding the we in the quran this is the plural of respect there is no gods its only God
3-am not saying that we are not suppose to use logic and reason am saying that this is what we suppose to do but not believing in something because you didnt see it this is what am saying is not logic by using logic and reason you can believe in something you didnt see this is what i meant
4-the imagination and illness in mind and believing in something that is not true for personal purposes is being done and will continue wether the human believe in something or lack the believe we can all have delusions.in my opinion you must set aside any thing spiritual or even faith(for atheists they need to be objective) and just use reasons and logic so you can make the right decision and to avoid any delusions i mentioned some of the reasons before and non of them was based on blind faith.in your side there is no evidence but it is lack of evidence in the side of religion that you was born with.about people lying and claiming that they have the truth you just need to search more deeply so you can diffirintiate between the liers and deluded and the people who have reasons for their beliefs as it is easy for you to see this as you got out of any brainwashing you had. believe me you cant imagine how easy to know the difference if you just searched little deeper and with objectivity

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plz scented back to the subject i will talk about every little thing that make me believe in more details this is so confusing for me and for the other members i think. i will be posting my thread about the first stage i passed through which is atheism and i am really interested to share with you how i used to think and also to know about your thoughts

Repost the above in a separate thread please if you don't want to reply here. I have replies to what you wrote, but since going off topic takes away from enjoying the forum for you, I'll wait until I see you post them elsewhere.

thanks scented for your patience i will start in writing about atheism and how i used to think before becoming religious hope to see you there
later i will come to the signs in the Quran in details

Quote:Thanks Scented for your patience, i will start writing in detail about atheism, and how i used to think before returning to Islam, hope to see you there.
Later i will return to quote the Quran in detail.

Quote:i will start writing in detail about atheism

(June 21, 2010 at 12:18 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:i will start writing in detail about atheism

That should be amusing as he doesn't know shit about atheism.

(June 21, 2010 at 1:42 pm)Darwinian Wrote: It's very simple.. Atheism is the complete rejection in the notion of a god or gods and therefore by implication the rejection of all religious teachings, dogma, doctrines and scriptures.

We simply don't believe the Universe works that way!

(June 21, 2010 at 3:43 pm)Ashendant Wrote: Doesn't atheism fully rejects the supernatural