(September 26, 2014 at 1:17 pm)Celestine Wrote:

(September 26, 2014 at 8:44 am)Rogue Wrote: Nobody in human history has influenced us so much.

Muhammad, Kongzi, Lao Tzu, Gautama Buddha, Zoroaster, Archimedes and those are just the ones I REMEMBER, there are many others who I've heard of but fail to remember their names.

I will not say that Jesus didn't have his fair share, but it's simply rude not to acknowledge the contribution that everyone else has made.

Yes and how do we know that they existed?

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(September 26, 2014 at 6:58 am)Crossless1 Wrote:

(September 26, 2014 at 3:43 am)Alex K Wrote: Are you taking a piss?

To pee or not to pee. That is the question.

Extremely inappropriate. Mock all you want it just shows you don't care about others. This is not what I want this world to become.

Very off topic. Is it a disease y'all have. Are you people A.D.D or what?

(September 26, 2014 at 1:54 pm)Rogue Wrote: Very off topic. Is it a disease y'all have. Are you people A.D.D or what?

One time, I went to see Robert Plant in Los Angeles. Before the show, we'd all had quite a bit of beer to drink. Being at the Sports Arena, and parking out in the surrounding neighborhoods, made for a long walk and man did I have to take a piss by the time we got to the venue!

I thought my bladder was going to burst. Once in the process of relieving myself, I was sure I saw Jesus. Just...for a few seconds.

And then he was gone.

(September 26, 2014 at 1:54 pm)Rogue Wrote:

(September 26, 2014 at 1:17 pm)Celestine Wrote: Muhammad, Kongzi, Lao Tzu, Gautama Buddha, Zoroaster, Archimedes and those are just the ones I REMEMBER, there are many others who I've heard of but fail to remember their names.

I will not say that Jesus didn't have his fair share, but it's simply rude not to acknowledge the contribution that everyone else has made.

Yes and how do we know that they existed?

Kongzi, Archimedes, and Muhammad, all have enough evidence of their existence.

Zoroaster, Lao Tzu, and Buddha I am not entirely sure of. To be fair though, how do we know that Jesus existed? They may very well be the compilation of many people. This however does not make the teachings in their name any less valuable.

(September 26, 2014 at 11:59 am)C4RM5 Wrote: Rogue,
Jesus on a number of occasions throuhout the Bible claims to be God. Therefore he is the God of the old testament. The Bible also states Jesus was resurrected. His was still a sacrafice as he died for the sin of men.

You cannot accept certain parts of the Bible and ignore the rest.

He did not die unless he stayed dead. He didn't according to the bible. So sacrifice it was not.

I don't accept any part of the bible except some historical value of how cruel, greedy and stupid people were in those days.

You're the one cherry picking. Have you read in there that God hates religion yet you are religious?

Isaiah 1:13-14 states, “Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and Sabbaths, the calling of assemblies…it is iniquity…Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.”

http://definingthenarrative.com/god-hates-religion/

There are many more...

(September 26, 2014 at 1:43 pm)Rogue Wrote: That's adhominem. The lowest form of debate. I guess you didn't see the movie.

What movie? "Heaven is for real"? And if you want a debate to be taken seriously, the first lesson you should probably learn is to not cite the History Channel as a credible source for information about... anything.

Quote:What does, "I don't know" amount to? Certainly not that god does not or does exist. There is not enough data at this time to make an absolute claim as atheist and religious people do.

I don't know indeed amounts to a denial of belief in God. It doesn't quite rule out the possibility that mythological beings could be real, but realizes their existence in consciousness is the result of exactly that--mythical stories (and of course, philosophical meandering that has fallen from the rails of empirical reality).

(September 26, 2014 at 2:10 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:

(September 26, 2014 at 1:43 pm)Rogue Wrote: That's adhominem. The lowest form of debate. I guess you didn't see the movie.

What movie? "Heaven is for real"? And if you want a debate to be taken seriously, the first lesson you should probably learn is to not cite the History Channel as a credible source for information about... anything.

Quote:What does, "I don't know" amount to? Certainly not that god does not or does exist. There is not enough data at this time to make an absolute claim as atheist and religious people do.

I don't know indeed amounts to a denial of belief in God. It doesn't quite rule out the possibility that mythological beings could be real, but realizes their existence in consciousness is the result of exactly that--mythical stories (and of course, philosophical meandering that has fallen from the rails of empirical reality).

I don't know doesn't mean there are not god/s either.

(September 26, 2014 at 2:10 pm)Rogue Wrote:

(September 26, 2014 at 11:59 am)C4RM5 Wrote: Rogue,
Jesus on a number of occasions throuhout the Bible claims to be God. Therefore he is the God of the old testament. The Bible also states Jesus was resurrected. His was still a sacrafice as he died for the sin of men.

You cannot accept certain parts of the Bible and ignore the rest.

He did not die unless he stayed dead. He didn't according to the bible. So sacrifice it was not.

I don't accept any part of the bible except some historical value of how cruel, greedy and stupid people were in those days.

You're the one cherry picking. Have you read in there that God hates religion yet you are religious?

Isaiah 1:13-14 states, “Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and Sabbaths, the calling of assemblies…it is iniquity…Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.”

http://definingthenarrative.com/god-hates-religion/

There are many more...

God would prefer us to focus on living moral lifes according to his command, here he is saying he hates the type of false religion were people follow traditions and rituals and don't life lives pleasing to God.

Quote:Kongzi, Archimedes, and Muhammad, all have enough evidence of their existence.

Mohammed has exactly the same kind of ex post facto holy horseshit that jesus has. Not a shred of contemporary evidence and a fair degree of archaeological evidence that conditions on the Arabian Peninsula were not what the 'koran' claimed.

Archimedes, aside from the writings of Polybius and others has left his own work....which is a metric fuckton more than any 'jesus' did.

There is no historical evidence for Kongzi (Confucius) and may well be merely the personification of an entire school of thought which emerged in China.

I believe it was sacrafice as Jesus didn't have to die on the cross and go through the pain leading up to it.

If you had a body guard and they jumped in frong of you to stop a bullet and they died, it is a sacrafice.
If they did this and survived it is still a sacrafice.

Isn't it more like the guard is actually yourself jumping in front of a bullet you fired at yourself with the knowledge it is to appease yourself while you cannot be killed, by yourself, or anyone else ??