(September 26, 2014 at 2:29 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I believe it was sacrafice as Jesus didn't have to die on the cross and go through the pain leading up to it.

So it's a sacrifice because it was a choice? That's not what defines a sacrifice. Jesus "gave up" something (a human life) that he did not need and that he only took up in order to humiliate humanity by 'showing them how it's done.' If you believe the Bible, then to this day the only human who managed to 'get it right' was the one human who was really god under the disguise. If getting it right is so difficult as to be impossible, then it seems as if the game is rigged. So even the sacrifice was just a method for mocking us poor, clumsy, pathetic humans.

Heck, god even has you taking the blame for being created improperly. What a miserable sadist he is!

I don't think I was created imperfectly, he wasn't trying to humilate anyone, I have no clue what you have been reading.

(September 26, 2014 at 2:08 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote:

(September 26, 2014 at 1:54 pm)Rogue Wrote: Very off topic. Is it a disease y'all have. Are you people A.D.D or what?

One time, I went to see Robert Plant in Los Angeles. Before the show, we'd all had quite a bit of beer to drink. Being at the Sports Arena, and parking out in the surrounding neighborhoods, made for a long walk and man did I have to take a piss by the time we got to the venue!

I thought my bladder was going to burst. Once in the process of relieving myself, I was sure I saw Jesus. Just...for a few seconds.

And then he was gone.

Off topic.

Are you not smart enough to talk about the subject?

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(September 26, 2014 at 2:09 pm)Celestine Wrote:

(September 26, 2014 at 1:54 pm)Rogue Wrote: Yes and how do we know that they existed?

Kongzi, Archimedes, and Muhammad, all have enough evidence of their existence.

Zoroaster, Lao Tzu, and Buddha I am not entirely sure of. To be fair though, how do we know that Jesus existed? They may very well be the compilation of many people. This however does not make the teachings in their name any less valuable.

The same way we believe other more ancient characters than him.

I am [b]NOT[/b] trying to prove the existence of Jesus. I am going by what has been recorded in the bible.

Contrary to what the Christian poster posted, Jesus did not call his self God. When questioned by the leaders he did not say he was god. He said, My kingdom is not of this earth. He did not claim to be god, the claim was he was the Messiah. I think he took this burden upon himself because he loved people and saw the roads lined with bodies nailed to crosses.

Thanks to him nailing people to crosses stopped. Pagans were almost eliminated because of Christianity. They were converting left and right.

It's history like it or not.

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(September 26, 2014 at 2:10 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:

(September 26, 2014 at 1:43 pm)Rogue Wrote: That's adhominem. The lowest form of debate. I guess you didn't see the movie.

What movie? "Heaven is for real"? And if you want a debate to be taken seriously, the first lesson you should probably learn is to not cite the History Channel as a credible source for information about... anything.

Quote:What does, "I don't know" amount to? Certainly not that god does not or does exist. There is not enough data at this time to make an absolute claim as atheist and religious people do.

I don't know indeed amounts to a denial of belief in God. It doesn't quite rule out the possibility that mythological beings could be real, but realizes their existence in consciousness is the result of exactly that--mythical stories (and of course, philosophical meandering that has fallen from the rails of empirical reality).

The History Channel is an excellent resource. They get all their info from experts. I also watch the Science Channel, nothing but experts there either. So you should tell those experts they are full of it and these channels should not be allowed on TV.

No the movie Jesus that the History Channel showed several times. It was quite a big deal.

I don't believe that boy went to Heaven I believe his preacher father put that stuff in his head. I DO NOT like the brain washing of children, I am appalled by it.

Jebus had himself crucified to put an end to crucifixion? Where the fuck people get this shit?

Fyi: crucifixion happens even today in reliogious countries like Iran.

(September 29, 2014 at 5:47 am)Rogue Wrote: I am [b]NOT[/b] trying to prove the existence of Jesus. I am going by what has been recorded in the bible.

That's hugely problematic: none of the biblical authors ever even met Jesus, so you're just going off of copies of copies of stories apparently recounted to anonymous authors... Just going via the bible gives you nothing solid to work off of at all.

Incidentally, why would you start by saying you're not trying to prove the existence of Jesus, and then end by asserting that certain things about him are "history"? For the latter to be true you'd have to do the former, unless you're more interested in skipping out on the burden of proof while keeping your assertions intact.

Well I'm glad Rogue has the true interpretation of what Jesus said, Drich and Frodo and Michael sure will be happy when they finally hear the truth!

Is Rogue stealing all of his ideas from Nietzsche's Anti-Christ?