(November 4, 2014 at 1:53 pm)Surgenator Wrote:

(November 4, 2014 at 1:43 pm)Heywood Wrote: This isn't any claim of mine. This is his prediction we are talking about.

You are the one that suggested dark energy is god's radiation.

Negative Surgenator.

The events were this:

Parker Tan made a prediction. He predicted if God exists then we should see copious amounts of energy radiated from that being(which is omnipresent so the radiation would be everywhere).

I then asked him if the newly discovered Dark Energy satisfied his prediction.

He then promptly tried to change the subject.

I won't let him wiggly out of it so easily and you should not help him wiggle out of it either. Let the discussion take its course and we will all see were it leads.

I'm not sure the god answer would fare very well against the other explanations on offer, RE Dark Matter/Dark Energy.

(November 4, 2014 at 2:06 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(November 4, 2014 at 1:53 pm)Surgenator Wrote: You are the one that suggested dark energy is god's radiation.

Negative Surgenator.

The events were this:

Parker Tan made a prediction. He predicted if God exists then we should see copious amounts of energy radiated from that being(which is omnipresent so the radiation would be everywhere).

I then asked him if the newly discovered Dark Energy satisfied his prediction.

He then promptly tried to change the subject.

I won't let him wiggly out of it so easily and you should not help him wiggle out of it either. Let the discussion take its course and we will all see were it leads.

Parker made a prediction about some kind of radiation. You are the one suggesting it is dark energy.

I don't think dark energy would satisfy the god requirement, unless god never existed before the universe and then slowly got more powerful. The universe is dominated by dark energy now. It was not dominated by dark energy always.

This is too easy!

Very well Heywood, you can now start investigating said subject.To posit it as god, out of your ass does not really work, it is the same shit as Kalaam.

You could help the scientists, instead, you pull bullshit out of your ass for jesus. Good for you!

Assert all you like.

Evolution has stood up to over 150 years of attacks and attempts to disprove it.
Evolution is the basis of many of our life sciences - something it couldn't be if it was false
Evolution has overwhelming supporting evidence.
Evolution has been observed in both lab conditions and in nature.

We win.

(November 4, 2014 at 2:11 pm)Surgenator Wrote:

(November 4, 2014 at 2:06 pm)Heywood Wrote: Negative Surgenator.

The events were this:

Parker Tan made a prediction. He predicted if God exists then we should see copious amounts of energy radiated from that being(which is omnipresent so the radiation would be everywhere).

I then asked him if the newly discovered Dark Energy satisfied his prediction.

He then promptly tried to change the subject.

I won't let him wiggly out of it so easily and you should not help him wiggle out of it either. Let the discussion take its course and we will all see were it leads.

Parker made a prediction about some kind of radiation. You are the one suggesting it is dark energy.

I don't think dark energy would satisfy the god requirement, unless god never existed before the universe and then slowly got more powerful. The universe is dominated by dark energy now. It was not dominated by dark energy always.

The universe is dominated now by emergent complex structures....this was not so in the past. As emergent complexity took off....so did dark energy. I will use Parker Tan's prediction to make another prediction. Dark energy increases in direct proportion to an increase in emergent complexity.

(November 4, 2014 at 2:53 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(November 4, 2014 at 2:11 pm)Surgenator Wrote: Parker made a prediction about some kind of radiation. You are the one suggesting it is dark energy.

I don't think dark energy would satisfy the god requirement, unless god never existed before the universe and then slowly got more powerful. The universe is dominated by dark energy now. It was not dominated by dark energy always.

The universe is dominated now by emergent complex structures....this was not so in the past. As emergent complexity took off....so did dark energy.

What makes you think those two are related and not a coincidence?

Quote:I will use Parker Tan's prediction to make another prediction. Dark energy increases in direct proportion to an increase in emergent complexity.

I would love to see how you will quantify emergent complexity and find out what it was in the past. Please come up with a method and share it with us.

(November 4, 2014 at 2:06 pm)Heywood Wrote: Parker Tan made a prediction. He predicted if God exists then we should see copious amounts of energy radiated from that being(which is omnipresent so the radiation would be everywhere).

I then asked him if the newly discovered Dark Energy satisfied his prediction.

He then promptly tried to change the subject.

No, I mocked your concept of god, considering that it doesn't comport with the Biblical god of majesty and glory, but is rather a skulking, fearful little thing hiding in the hypothetical equations of mortals. The thought of worshipping such a pissant is repugnant, and you should be better than that.

Also, I notice that you're trying to impute omnipresence to your god. On what are you basing that claim? First, you should show that he exists; then you may hold court about his qualities.

(November 4, 2014 at 2:06 pm)Heywood Wrote: I won't let him wiggly out of it so easily and you should not help him wiggle out of it either. Let the discussion take its course and we will all see were it leads.

The reason why dark energy is unlikely to be a sign of your god is because the radiation emitted by acts of creation and destruction isn't a hypothetical energy posited to balance mathematical equations, but is actual energy visible in the Universe -- like the light radiated from the Sun when helium is created.

You know, real.

I'm surprised someone of your stunning intellect and obviously extensive education had no idea that dark energy is entirely hypothetical, with no expression in reality whatsoever.

Come to think of it, maybe it is your little god-thingy ... it sure fits the description.

(November 4, 2014 at 1:10 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(November 4, 2014 at 12:30 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: Do you really think your magnificent god is skulking and hiding from scientists in the form of theoretical energy, when he could be shining in glory?

Strange god you got going on there, hiding from the children you allege he loves.

You never answered my question. Does the new found existence of Dark Energy satisfy your prediction?

No it doesn't. Dark energy is not a form of radiation, it doesn't involve energy transport or generation of any kind. Dark energy is the energy level of the vacuum (space devoid of real particles) as seen by Einstein's field equations. Any quantum field contributes to it.

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(November 4, 2014 at 10:30 am)Alex K Wrote: o be realized in nature. Antimatter, a fourth family of fermions, the Higgs, and hundreds of things more.

Jeez, I meant a fourth light quark or a third family of fermions. I hope noone read that.

(November 4, 2014 at 1:10 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(November 4, 2014 at 12:30 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: Do you really think your magnificent god is skulking and hiding from scientists in the form of theoretical energy, when he could be shining in glory?

Strange god you got going on there, hiding from the children you allege he loves.

Whoa there partner....before we change the subject lets finish discussing the prediction you made.

You claimed that if God exists, who creates and maintains this universe....and these are your exact words: "Such a being, by all experience, ought to be radiating copious amounts of energy far exceeding the radiation of stars or even supernovæ; after all, this potentiality can create entire universes."

You never answered my question. Does the new found existence of Dark Energy satisfy your prediction?

It is still hypothetical, Einstein.

Kinda like your deity.